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pwillis

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Hello, yet again folks!

We just received delivery of a 2012 MacPro 5,1. It came with a non-metal Sapphire gpu and (a supposed) metal compatible MSI GEFORCE GTX 1050TI AERO ITX 4G OCV1 GRAPHICS CARD.

I'm not too educated when it comes to gpu's. The MSI card doesn't appear to have any 6-pin connection inputs. When I install the card, I have no video/screen access and I'm wondering if that's because it's not receiving a power feed? Is the PCIe slot supposed to power this card?

What am I missing here?
(The seller is not very responsive otherwise I'd be taking this issue up with him).

Many thanks in advance!
 

h9826790

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Hello, yet again folks!

We just received delivery of a 2012 MacPro 5,1. It came with a non-metal Sapphire gpu and (a supposed) metal compatible MSI GEFORCE GTX 1050TI AERO ITX 4G OCV1 GRAPHICS CARD.

I'm not too educated when it comes to gpu's. The MSI card doesn't appear to have any 6-pin connection inputs. When I install the card, I have no video/screen access and I'm wondering if that's because it's not receiving a power feed? Is the PCIe slot supposed to power this card?

What am I missing here?
(The seller is not very responsive otherwise I'd be taking this issue up with him).

Many thanks in advance!
What’s that non Metal Sapphire card?

The 1050Ti is not installed at the beginning?

Which OS the computer is running?

Anyway, I don’t think it’s power issue, but something else.
 

pwillis

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What’s that non Metal Sapphire card?

The 1050Ti is not installed at the beginning?

Which OS the computer is running?

Anyway, I don’t think it’s power issue, but something else.
The non-metal card is a Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5770. I'm wondering if the two cards are to be used in conjunction with one another however, that'd take up two PCIe slots :( The MSI GEFORCE GTX 1050TI AERO ITX 4G OCV1 GRAPHICS CARD doesn't seem to have an input for a power source from the MacPro? ( 6-pin connector).

The OS is an OC version of Monterey which appears to be stable. I have WAVES plugins installed using Pro Tools and Logic Pro but they appear without any GI (graphic interface).

My apologies: I'm not sure what a 1050Ti is.

Thank you very much for addressing my post h9826790!
 
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tsialex

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Do you know that NVIDIA GPUs that are not from the Kepler generation only work up to High Sierra? And Kepler NVIDIA GPUs are supported only up to Big Sur? GTX 1050Ti is a Pascal one = 10.13.6.

If you want to run 10.13.6, the GTX 1050Ti will work fine with NVIDIA WEB drivers.

For everything else newer than 10.13.6, forget this card. While OCLP can make the display to work with a PASCAL NVIDIA GPU with BigSur/Monterey, it's not a METAL supported card and the performance is dreadful when you have to run the UI via OpenGL again. It's a very ugly hack and like all ugly hacks, only works for some cases.

Btw, you have to install Monterey with the GTX 1050Ti as the only card present, since OCLP modifications will make the Monterey install to only work with GTX 1050Ti. Too much trouble for too little benefit, replace it with a fully supported GPU.
 

pwillis

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Thank you very much for your input tsialex!

I'm running 12.6.3. We just received shipment of the computer yesterday. Apparently this MSI card is metal compliant (according to the seller). I'm not sure why it was shipped with two gpu cards? I haven't been able to get an answer with regard to that question. If I remove the Sapphire and leave the MSI in, none of our monitors work.
 

tsialex

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Thank you very much for your input tsialex!

I'm running 12.6.3. We just received shipment of the computer yesterday. Apparently this MSI card is metal compliant (according to the seller). I'm not sure why it was shipped with two gpu cards? I haven't been able to get an answer with regard to that question. If I remove the Sapphire and leave the MSI in, none of our monitors work.
I've already explained that this card is supported only up to 10.1.3.6 and only with NVIDIA WEB drivers, that only run up to 10.1.3.6. If the card only runs up to 10.13.6, it's METAL supported up to that.

You can easily search the the web and confirm what I've written. Don't waste your time.
 
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h9826790

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The non-metal card is a Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5770. I'm wondering if the two cards are to be used in conjunction with one another however, that'd take up two PCIe slots :( The MSI GEFORCE GTX 1050TI AERO ITX 4G OCV1 GRAPHICS CARD doesn't seem to have an input for a power source from the MacPro? ( 6-pin connector).

The OS is an OC version of Monterey which appears to be stable. I have WAVES plugins installed using Pro Tools and Logic Pro but they appear without any GI (graphic interface).

My apologies: I'm not sure what a 1050Ti is.

Thank you very much for addressing my post h9826790!
OK, I have better understanding of what's happening now.

My understanding so far.

1) You just bought a cMP 5,1.

2) which comes with a HD5770. Shapphire, not the original Apple card, may be flashed to show boot screen?

3) It also comes with a 1050Ti (MSI GEFORCE GTX 1050TI AERO ITX 4G OCV1 GRAPHICS CARD). The card has no aux power input (which is actually normal for low power cards)

4) Somehow, it shipped with Monterey, a macOS that is not supported by the cMP (and both of the shipped graphic cards). The OS is patched to run with the HD5770.

5) Monterey seems stable, but your WAVES plugins has GI issue.

If the above points are correct, then as Tsialex said, the 1050Ti won't work properly in Monterey due to lack of driver. This is a known issue. If you want to use the 1050Ti, you should format the boot drive, and re-install High Sierra onto it. HOWEVER, please make sure you plan the whole workflow before you start to do that. It is still not confirm your HD5770 can show boot screen. If not, and you formatted the boot drive, it may be quite hard for you to recover from that situation (especially if there is no other Mac for you to create any macOS installation media).

TBH, it's a very non standard (in fact, poor) config to sell cMP. IMO, the seller shouldn't sell a cMP like that (has a graphic card inside which cannot be used in the pre-installed OS). And I bet he hasn't tell you that the pre-installed OS isn't a supported OS, and most likely patched.

From your questions, I believe that your knownledge isn't at the level to handle this kind of config. Of course, you can learn. However, I believe it is not your intention to buy this machine.

The seller is correct about the 1050Ti is a Metal compliant card. However, it's not a supported GPU in any macOS at all, even in High Sierra. We can install web driver from Nvidia to make it work in High Sierra. But "make it work" doesn't means "supported". And TBH, most people looking for Metal supported card because they want to run Mojave or higher macOS. If this is also what you want, then the 1050Ti is completely useless. It can't even display in Monterey. This is completely normal.

Anyway, the possible actions for you

A) return the machine, get the money back, buy another one (with proper software and hardware).

B) buy a proper GPU (e.g. RX580) for your cMP, and remove the unsupported HD5770 and 1050Ti. However, highly likely you still need to go through another OCLP root patching (I believe you have absolutely no idea what I am saying) to make the new GPU work properly.

C) format your existing boot drive, install High Sierra and Nvidia web driver, then remove the HD5770 and use the 1050Ti. Again, I beleive you have no idea what Nvidia web driver is, and the 1050Ti won't display anything at all without it. And we have no idea if the HD5770 can display any boot screen for you to install High Sierra. So, it may not be as easy as you believe.

TBH, if I were you, and I can get the money back, I will go for option A.

But if you already pass the point of no return, and must make it work. Then you better prepare to learn the relationship about different GPU and macOS, and what is OpenCore etc, and buy a proper GPU to go option B.

Option C is the cheapest way (in fact, no extra cost), but you will stuck at a OS that's already outdated. And still need to learn how to make the 1050Ti works.
 
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pwillis

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OK, I have better understanding of what's happening now.

My understanding so far.

1) You just bought a cMP 5,1.

2) which comes with a HD5770. Shapphire, not the original Apple card, may be flashed to show boot screen?

3) It also comes with a 1050Ti (MSI GEFORCE GTX 1050TI AERO ITX 4G OCV1 GRAPHICS CARD). The card has no aux power input (which is actually normal for low power cards)

4) Somehow, it shipped with Monterey, a macOS that is not supported by the cMP (and both of the shipped graphic cards). The OS is patched to run with the HD5770.

5) Monterey seems stable, but your WAVES plugins has GI issue.

If the above points are correct, then as Tsialex said, the 1050Ti won't work properly in Monterey due to lack of driver. This is a known issue. If you want to use the 1050Ti, you should format the boot drive, and re-install High Sierra onto it. HOWEVER, please make sure you plan the whole workflow before you start to do that. It is still not confirm your HD5770 can show boot screen. If not, and you formatted the boot drive, it may be quite hard for you to recover from that situation (especially if there is no other Mac for you to create any macOS installation media).

TBH, it's a very non standard (in fact, poor) config to sell cMP. IMO, the seller shouldn't sell a cMP like that (has a graphic card inside which cannot be used in the pre-installed OS). And I bet he hasn't tell you that the pre-installed OS isn't a supported OS, and most likely patched.

From your questions, I believe that your knownledge isn't at the level to handle this kind of config. Of course, you can learn. However, I believe it is not your intention to buy this machine.

The seller is correct about the 1050Ti is a Metal compliant card. However, it's not a supported GPU in any macOS at all, even in High Sierra. We can install web driver from Nvidia to make it work in High Sierra. But "make it work" doesn't means "supported". And TBH, most people looking for Metal supported card because they want to run Mojave or higher macOS. If this is also what you want, then the 1050Ti is completely useless. It can't even display in Monterey. This is completely normal.

Anyway, the possible actions for you

A) return the machine, get the money back, buy another one (with proper software and hardware).

B) buy a proper GPU (e.g. RX580) for your cMP, and remove the unsupported HD5770 and 1050Ti. However, highly likely you still need to go through another OCLP root patching (I believe you have absolutely no idea what I am saying) to make the new GPU work properly.

C) format your existing boot drive, install High Sierra and Nvidia web driver, then remove the HD5770 and use the 1050Ti. Again, I beleive you have no idea what Nvidia web driver is, and the 1050Ti won't display anything at all without it. And we have no idea if the HD5770 can display any boot screen for you to install High Sierra. So, it may not be as easy as you believe.

v, if I were you, and I can get the money back, I will go for option A.

But if you already pass the point of no return, and must make it work. Then you better prepare to learn the relationship about different GPU and macOS, and what is OpenCore etc, and buy a proper GPU to go option B.

Option C is the cheapest way (in fact, no extra cost), but you will stuck at a OS that's already outdated. And still need to learn how to make the 1050Ti works.
Thanks so much for your concise reply [SIZE=3]h9826790[/SIZE]. You've hit the nail on the head for sure: This has been a huge learning curve for me. I'm a recording engineer, not a computer engineer. I have massive respect for you and for [SIZE=3]tsialex[/SIZE]. The amount of time and expertise that you guys share with folks here is of great value. Thank you!

I've been pretty good (up until now, since diving into the OC world) when it comes to maintaining and troubleshooting my Macs. This (Opencore) is an entirely different ocean that I'm swimming in and I'm currently drowning in it.

I just got off the phone with the seller who's adamant about the metal capabilities of this system. I think it's safe to say that he's not too knowledgeable about it.

As you mentioned, "But if you already pass the point of no return, and must make it work. Then you better prepare to learn the relationship about different GPU and macOS, and what is OpenCore etc, and buy a proper GPU to go option B."

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to proceed with what I have but my time is very limited now. Anyway . . . long story that I wouldn't waste your time with.

I do have another GPU that I bought last week. It's a Sapphire 11265-09-20G AMD Radeon RX 580 1366 MHz 4 Go. My problem is that this GPU (as I'm sure you know, but I didn't know) has an 8-pin power connector. I bought a 6-pin to 8-pin convertor cable as was recommended to me but it doesn't work. Apparently I need a dual 6-pin to single 8-pin in order to make that GPU function.

I'm familiar with drivers and the absolute necessity to have proper ones. What I'm not familiar with is the order of the installation process. Can they be installed after the fact?

Again . . . many thanks for your knowledge and input, not to mention your kind patience. :)
 

h9826790

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Your HD 5770 should have at least one port of the type in the image below:

If it only has one, it is a "Mac Edition" and will most likely work for you.
If it has two, it is the PC version and will probably be useless on a Mac (without changes).
He mentioned that's a Sapphire HD5770. Therefore, can't be the Apple HD5770, at most, flashed (but I doubt if the seller really can do this properly).

Thanks so much for your concise reply [SIZE=3]h9826790[/SIZE]. You've hit the nail on the head for sure: This has been a huge learning curve for me. I'm a recording engineer, not a computer engineer. I have massive respect for you and for [SIZE=3]tsialex[/SIZE]. The amount of time and expertise that you guys share with folks here is of great value. Thank you!

I've been pretty good (up until now, since diving into the OC world) when it comes to maintaining and troubleshooting my Macs. This (Opencore) is an entirely different ocean that I'm swimming in and I'm currently drowning in it.

I just got off the phone with the seller who's adamant about the metal capabilities of this system. I think it's safe to say that he's not too knowledgeable about it.

As you mentioned, "But if you already pass the point of no return, and must make it work. Then you better prepare to learn the relationship about different GPU and macOS, and what is OpenCore etc, and buy a proper GPU to go option B."

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to proceed with what I have but my time is very limited now. Anyway . . . long story that I wouldn't waste your time with.

I do have another GPU that I bought last week. It's a Sapphire 11265-09-20G AMD Radeon RX 580 1366 MHz 4 Go. My problem is that this GPU (as I'm sure you know, but I didn't know) has an 8-pin power connector. I bought a 6-pin to 8-pin convertor cable as was recommended to me but it doesn't work. Apparently I need a dual 6-pin to single 8-pin in order to make that GPU function.

I'm familiar with drivers and the absolute necessity to have proper ones. What I'm not familiar with is the order of the installation process. Can they be installed after the fact?

Again . . . many thanks for your knowledge and input, not to mention your kind patience. :)
Copy that you need to go option B. Then don't waste the time, forget about the HD5770 and 1050Ti, but focus on the RX580.

When you said "it doesn't work", do you mean it has nothing display? Or not properly recognised by the OS?

Even it has a 8pin connector, and you only feed it by a sinlge mini 6pin, the card should able to boot, and work under normal desktop environment. It shouldn't be a problem until you stress it. And even you stress it, the problem isn't the card won't work, but the whole cMP shutdown (due to over draw the mini 6pin).

Therefore, we must clarify what "it doesn't work" means.

At this point, I expect the RX580 doesn't work because your Monterey was patched for the HD5770. Therefore, the native RX580 cannot be loaded properly. In this case, even you use a dual mini 6pin to single 8pin cable, the card still won't work.
 
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pwillis

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Last night I was really cramming to get this system and studio operational before boarding my flight back to Canada this morning. I had a very long list of software installations to fulfill, and last, but certainly not least, solving this GPU issue, and then, without a reason that I can figure out, Monterey refused to boot. It just freezes about 1/3 of the way into the boot process.

I had done some very basic software installations for the studio: Logic Pro 10.7.7, (I removed the WAVES plugins that were not appearing due to my non-metal gpu) Luna, UAD Drivers, Slate/Raven MTi drivers for our two monitors, and Google Chrome. That's about as far as I got before the lockout on Monterey.

Anyway, I've missed my flight home and intend to stay here until this is all sorted out. Today, the dual 6-pin to 8-pin connector for the AMD Radeon RX 580 will arrive and I'll try to get that working properly.

I'm guessing that another installation of Monterey is in my not-so-distant future.

Thanks again for all the help and advice you've all shared here. I really appreciate it!!!
 
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