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My simple take on opera mini 4/blazer, and questions/suggestions for iphone-safari

clevin

clevin

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I own a palm, so I have both opera mini 4(beta) and blazer 4, I have no idea about mobile IE.

Opera mini 4/blazer 4:
good:
1. opera mini4 has zoom in/out mode like iphone safari, which is a neat idea.
2. small screen rendering (fit the content of the webpages to the width of the screen) mode, this function exists in both opera mini4 and blazer4, AFAIK, its not in iphone safari, this function allows you to use two buttons (up and down) to view the whole content of page by breaking the webpage structure,

bad:
1. opera mini is written in JAVA, so it can run on various phones, but its not native to any system.
2. once the servers detected they are mobile browsers, they will send mobile version of the webpages to browser, while in both opera mini and blazer, there is no place to fake UA.
3. Opera mini is a JAVA app. it will NOT download anything to your phone, rather, it will call your local browser to download them.

mixed:
Opera mini is using a proxy like transcode server ALL THE TIME. good part is that this will allow you to surf the pages that might be blocked by your local internet service provider. bad part is that if their server were to be down, opera mini won't connect to anywhere.

Question for iphone-safari:

1. will servers send mobile version or full version of webpages to iphone-safari if both are available?
2. will there be a "fit to width of the screen" mode in iphone-safari?
3. will iphone-safari has a transcode server all the time or direct connect to the internet destinate servers
4. will opera mini 4 be able to run on iphone? will JAVA be supported in iphone?
 
clevin said:
I own a palm, so I have both opera mini 4(beta) and blazer 4, I have no idea about mobile IE.

Opera mini 4/blazer 4:
good:
1. opera mini4 has zoom in/out mode like iphone safari, which is a neat idea.
2. small screen rendering (fit the content of the webpages to the width of the screen) mode, this function exists in both opera mini4 and blazer4, AFAIK, its not in iphone safari, this function allows you to use two buttons (up and down) to view the whole content of page by breaking the webpage structure,

bad:
1. opera mini is written in JAVA, so it can run on various phones, but its not native to any system.
2. once the servers detected they are mobile browsers, they will send mobile version of the webpages to browser, while in both opera mini and blazer, there is no place to fake UA.
3. Opera mini is a JAVA app. it will NOT download anything to your phone, rather, it will call your local browser to download them.

mixed:
Opera mini is using a proxy like transcode server ALL THE TIME. good part is that this will allow you to surf the pages that might be blocked by your local internet service provider. bad part is that if their server were to be down, opera mini won't connect to anywhere.

Question for iphone-safari:

1. will servers send mobile version or full version of webpages to iphone-safari if both are available?
2. will there be a "fit to width of the screen" mode in iphone-safari?
3. will iphone-safari has a transcode server all the time or direct connect to the internet destinate servers
4. will opera mini 4 be able to run on iphone? will JAVA be supported in iphone?
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1. FULL VERSION!
2. Unsure...
3.Again, Unsure.
4. NO, Some.
 
clevin said:
1. will servers send mobile version or full version of webpages to iphone-safari if both are available?
2. will there be a "fit to width of the screen" mode in iphone-safari?
3. will iphone-safari has a transcode server all the time or direct connect to the internet destinate servers
4. will opera mini 4 be able to run on iphone? will JAVA be supported in iphone?
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1. I suspect, in the end, what will mostly happen is that the iPhone user will decide which version simply by where they go. For example, with all the little mini-apps now available. They're already presized for the iPhone. So you might go to a website (like this one) which is not optimized, but click on a link to an app that is... and bookmark it.

Oh wait, you're talking about current websites. No, they're looking for other mobile user agent strings, not for iPhone so far.

2. I've already speculated that if they don't now, they'll have to do one. Other browsers already have multiple modes. But, considering the Apple way, I doubt they'd want it to be a selectable mode... but more automatic somehow.

3. Sounds like it's direct connect.

4. Jobs was pretty emphatic about not having Java. The iPhone is not about choices. It's not about being a general purpose PDA, with lots of 3rd party apps. It's about a closed, well defined user experience.
 
I know its a beta but I tried Opera Mini and was pretty dissapointed. I actually had to delete it it get my google maps program to work again.

And its a pretty unstable beta as unstable betas go at least on my Treo 650; it crashed my phone every time I tried to use it.
 
Oh god, Opera Mini is written in Java ?! Good thing I never tried it. Regardless of what anyone says, I find Java apps to be the most resource sucking, sluggish (in terms of response time), slow applications (as far as load times). I avoid Java like the plague.
 
/dev/toaster said:
Oh god, Opera Mini is written in Java ?! Good thing I never tried it. Regardless of what anyone says, I find Java apps to be the most resource sucking, sluggish (in terms of response time), slow applications (as far as load times). I avoid Java like the plague.
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for one platform users (u probably are one of them), JAVA is indeed not important, but opera is doing multiple platform, JAVA is probably only way, if not the best way.

And its a pretty unstable beta as unstable betas go at least on my Treo 650; it crashed my phone every time I tried to use it.
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if u already has opera mini 3.0, u know u need to change the java settings in treo, (increase stack size to 32kb, cache to 1MB), otherwise, opera mini will crash every time u use it.
 
/dev/toaster said:
Oh god, Opera Mini is written in Java ?! Good thing I never tried it. Regardless of what anyone says, I find Java apps to be the most resource sucking, sluggish (in terms of response time), slow applications (as far as load times). I avoid Java like the plague.
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My experience, oddly, differs in this way: I actually find the Java apps faster than the Flash(lite) apps on handhelds. I wish it were otherwise, because I want and need something like Flash for cross-platform development. Each version gets faster, but not good enough for me yet..

Kev
 
kdarling said:
My experience, oddly, differs in this way: I actually find the Java apps faster than the Flash(lite) apps on handhelds. I wish it were otherwise, because I want and need something like Flash for cross-platform development. Each version gets faster, but not good enough for me yet..

Kev
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how did u get flash to work on the handheld?
 
tasslehawf said:
Does this explain why it might effect google maps running correctly?
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no, I have google maps too, installation of opera mini 3.1/4.0 beta didn't affect my google maps. It shouldn't anyway :confused:
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