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Rupp

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Feb 26, 2013
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I am a photographer who has done some video in the past, and may again. I live in a house with two other Mac users, and usually have a main and small Mac myself, so read 4 CPUs, multiple other Apple gear.My 2013 New Mac Pro is dying, so I replaced it with a MacBookPro 16" 2021 (maxed out except only 4TB internal).

My backup has always been a kludge.

With the MacPro, I used a Pegasus 2 R6 (6 drives which must be the same size, preferably the same make). It worked fine for 7-8 years. The problem is that it does not support M1s running Monterey; in fact, Pegasus no longer supports this model at all. When I checked the company site a month ago, it was unclear if the new units support M1s and Monterey now. As to the Pegasus, it was very fast which was necessary as all I kept on my internal drive was applications. It was only DAS. I didn't really need more than 6-8 TB of the 16TB capacity. Disk switching, when necessary. was not a problem.

I backed the Pegasus up to an OWC Thunderbay 4 (Thunderbolt 2) running a three mirror set of drives with SoftRaid. One secondary drive could be removed and transported off property and switched back every few weeks. I also backed the pegasus up to a Drobo 5N located in my basement.

The Drobo worked fine over the years, but no longer supports my equipment. I have had no luck finding a newer one. The company was small when I bought the unit, and has since been acquired, but I'm not sure if anything is or will be available. I'm not sure that my cat5e cable will support 10GB ethernet.

The OWC units work OK with SoftRAID and I have subsequently acquired a new one which runs Thunderbolt 3. Note: I am trying it RAID5, but the internal SSD on my MacBook is so much faster, that the primary use for the OWC enclosure(s) will now be for storing video files I rarely use, and for keeping older photo files. I will also give one to my wife, who is using an older TB2 iMac with a spinning internal drive. I'll set her up with a RAID5 for her photo editing, then back that up to a mirrored set. Testing with Blackmagic Disk Speed test, I get read/write speeds of about 500/600 MBs.

I hope the long explanation was a help to anyone curious about OWC enclosures, SoftRaid, Pegasus enclosures. I am not as knowledgeable as I used to be, but I've screwed around with these drives so if I can help, please ask.

Perhaps now, someone can help me with a couple of questions:

1) I've never used off site storage. Would it be better to back everything up to a NAS (several users) then up to the cloud?

2) My home cables and switches are limited to 1GB if I network. Would I be better off locating a NAS locally (ethernet or TB in my office?

3) Maybe I should ask this one elsewhere but, I bought a two four drive sets of Seagate Ironwolf ProNAS drives for use in OWC enclosures. One tech support person told me that NAS drives should not be used in OWC enclosures. I'm trying to decide whether to return these drives unopened, or if this one tech person was wrong. Thoughts?
 
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glenthompson

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Offsite backup is an adjunct to local backups not a replacement. I backup to usb drives, a NAS, and to BackBlaze. Can’t have too many backups.

1gb Ethernet is more than sufficient for making backups to a NAS. That’s over 100mb of data per second or 8tb per day. Plenty of speed.

Better to locate the NAS in a different location from the computers. A thief would be more likely to take the computers and not search out a black box elsewhere. Also a disaster like a fire might take out one part of the house and leave the others relatively untouched.

My philosophy on backups is to thinks of the types of data loss I might suffer and the best way to recover from them. I usually categorize them into 3 groups: disasters like fire, flood, or theft; hardware or software failures; and stupid user tricks. I’ve never had to use my offsite backup but have used my local backups on multiple occasions.

Can’t comment on the suitability of the NAS drives in the OWC enclosure. Best bet would be to talk to OWC and see what they say.
 

GoetzPhil

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If you buy a NAS make sure it supports 2.5GbE - because then you just need USB-2.5GbE Adapters and get 2+ times the speed of just 1GbE - ok you also need 2.5GbE Switches - but overall those invests are a good improvment.

DONT buy 5GbE Adapters because they fail 99% of the time. And 10GbE is just very expensive.

I have 2 QNAP NAS myself, I Backup to the MAIN NAS using CCC on the Mac.The NAS holds 4x 4TB WD REdwith no raid as this gives me the full 16TB capacity. RAID5 or 6 would just give me 8TB netto!

For Backup of my Dataon the Main NAS i bought a cheap 2nd QNAP and just get this synchronized withthe MAIN NAS every night, so my data is quite save.
 

Average Pro

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Jul 16, 2013
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Phil, with respect to the adapters failing, what information can you provide on the 10GbE card(s) installed directly into the QNAP? I have 2 QNAPs directly connected to each other and the Mac Pro. No connection to router.

PS - I use the QNAP Hybrid Back Up Sync to a 2nd QNAP. And then I back up (copies 3 and 4) to separate external HDs via TB3. So far, no issues to report. I plan to update the Mac Pro to Monterey today.
 
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