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Hello, I’m considering requesting an express replacement for my one-month-old 16 Pro Max due to a reboot issue (possibly software-related), but I’m reluctant to return a phone with a perfect screen.

Are the replacement phones refurbished or new?

I have Apple care +
 
Hello, I’m considering requesting an express replacement for my one-month-old 16 Pro Max due to a reboot issue (possibly software-related), but I’m reluctant to return a phone with a perfect screen.

Are the replacement phones refurbished or new?

I have Apple care +
Right now they are likely to be new. Apple diverts a certain amount of new phones off the assembly line in order to have replacements ready to go as necessary.

You say refurb, but Apple is going to use the word 'remanufactured'. Remanufactured devices get new casings, new batteries and new screens. All other parts are tested and replaced as necessary. Finally, there is a QC check that is more stringent than the one Apple uses for new devices.

So, even if you were to get a remanufactured device, it's going to be the same as new. Apple isn't Assurant or Assurion or some other third party insurance where you get a bum device.
 
@eyoungren is correct. I dropped and cracked my 15 Pro last year. Since I have AC+, I requested a ESR that Apple shipped to me in a generic white box. The phone looks and feels brand new. Other than the packaging, you will not be able to distinguish it from new.
 
@eyoungren is correct. I dropped and cracked my 15 Pro last year. Since I have AC+, I requested a ESR that Apple shipped to me in a generic white box. The phone looks and feels brand new. Other than the packaging, you will not be able to distinguish it from new.
Do they still change the serial number to indicate it's a refurb?
 
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No. They started obfuscating that several iPhone models (and Macs) back. For the very reason you just stated.
are you sure? i just have a feedback from a user that has received a replaced 16PM with F as starting letter of the serial number

AFAIK:

M (new device from store)
N (new device from replacement)
F (refurbished)
 
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are you sure? i just have a feedback from a user that has received a replaced 16PM with F as starting letter of the serial number

AFAIK:

M (new device from store)
N (new device from replacement)
F (refurbished)

EDIT to add: My 11 Pro Max has a serial number beginning with the letter H. This is a replacement phone. I know, because I dropped the old one and got it replaced in May of 2022.
 
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Do they still change the serial number to indicate it's a refurb?
I feel that the serial number, whether new or refurbished, shouldn't matter. You still get a new outer shell, new display, new battery and more stringent testing of the device - extra points for the new battery cycle count of 0. I have purchased iPhones and MacBooks from the Apple Refurbished store and I couldn't even tell they were refurbs, aside from the generic white box. If you buy a used car and it looks and performs the same as a brand new car, does it really matter that you know it is used?
 
They are probably going to be all the ones Macrumors members returned for touch screen and OLED uniformity issues or buyers remorse. Good luck 😉. In regards to the “ they are all too new to be refurbished/ remanufactured “, I don’t think that holds true anymore. I believe technology has made remanufacturing devices for replacements much quicker than say when the iPhone 5 was around.
I suppose what you could do is use 3uTools and see when the individual components were made. If accurate and compare those figures to what you receive in form of a replacement from Apple.
 
are you sure? i just have a feedback from a user that has received a replaced 16PM with F as starting letter of the serial number

AFAIK:

M (new device from store)
N (new device from replacement)
F (refurbished)
you want to be looking at the Model number, not the serial number. Any device replacement done through Apple Store or through Apple.com will most likely start with N instead of M.
 
I feel that the serial number, whether new or refurbished, shouldn't matter. You still get a new outer shell, new display, new battery and more stringent testing of the device - extra points for the new battery cycle count of 0. I have purchased iPhones and MacBooks from the Apple Refurbished store and I couldn't even tell they were refurbs, aside from the generic white box. If you buy a used car and it looks and performs the same as a brand new car, does it really matter that you know it is used?

No guarantee of a new display, only new chassis and battery. The refurb devices use salvaged components. This means if someone drops their iPhone hard, the soldered components on the logic board can loosen. If you're lucky and your refurb uses one of these salvaged logic boards, it may no longer perform reliably in the long run.
 
The thing is, why would you want to replace a brand new iPhone if you suspect it’s a software issue? Every iPhone 16 is running the same software obviously and wasn’t the reboot issue known and addressed with the iOS 18.1 release anyway?
 
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The thing is, why would you want to replace a brand new iPhone if you suspect it’s a software issue? Every iPhone 16 is running the same software obviously and wasn’t the reboot issue known and addressed with the iOS 18.1 release anyway?
It should have been fixed with iOS 18.1, but in my case, it’s not
 
are you sure? i just have a feedback from a user that has received a replaced 16PM with F as starting letter of the serial number

AFAIK:

M (new device from store)
N (new device from replacement)
F (refurbished)
I guess that means my 16 Pro, purchased brand new from an apple store one week ago is a refurb. 🤣
 
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No guarantee of a new display, only new chassis and battery. The refurb devices use salvaged components.
No, they don't. Let's say you go to the Apple Store and buy a brand new iPhone and use it for two days and take it back for a return. Apple can no longer sell that phone as brand new (at least not in the USA, law forbids it), it is destined for sale at the Apple Refurbished store after it passes Apple's rather strict testing. The devices purchased from the Apple Refurbished store carry the same warranty and Apple Care eligibility as brand new devices.

Apple has a rather expensive brand to protect.. they aren't going to risk it on "salvaged parts" that may just stop working one day.
 
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No, they don't. Let's say you go to the Apple Store and buy a brand new iPhone and use it for two days and take it back for a return. Apple can no longer sell that phone as brand new (at least not in the USA, law forbids it), it is destined for sale at the Apple Refurbished store after it passes Apple's rather strict testing. The devices purchased from the Apple Refurbished store carry the same warranty and Apple Care eligibility as brand new devices.

Apple has a rather expensive brand to protect.. they aren't going to risk it on "salvaged parts" that may just stop working one day.

Apple’s warranty terms and conditions literally says they use used parts. There have been several lawsuits that Apple has settled, all based on this fact that salvaged components are used.

Not sure what your example is supposed to argue. Yes, refurbished devices have the same warranty as new devices. It doesn’t mean reliability is the same.

Apple only claims the battery and chassis of refurbs are replaced with new. They make no claims about the display or logic board. Those are the two most expensive components. If those parts were new, Apple would say so.
 
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Hello, I’m considering requesting an express replacement for my one-month-old 16 Pro Max due to a reboot issue (possibly software-related), but I’m reluctant to return a phone with a perfect screen.

Are the replacement phones refurbished or new?

I have Apple care +
Regardless of refurbished or new, you will deal with the screen lottery issue and may not get a "perfect screen" on the next device. I had a lot of issues with my new iPhone 16 Pro (now resolved) and people told me to return it. Like you I was reluctant to return a phone with a "perfect screen" and held out. You are out of the 14 day return for any reason window and since the issue is possibly software related I would hold out for now.
 
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It should have been fixed with iOS 18.1, but in my case, it’s not
Then restore it as new. Force a re-install of the OS and don't restore a backup. If the issue persists, it's the device (hardware). If it does not, it's software. Wipe phone, restore from backup, see if issue is present. If so, it's your backup. If not, it was the base OS. Pretty easy, just takes some time.

I too don't understand why you think it's software but want to replace the entire phone
 
Regardless of refurbished or new, you will deal with the screen lottery issue and may not get a "perfect screen" on the next device. I had a lot of issues with my new iPhone 16 Pro (now resolved) and people told me to return it. Like you I was reluctant to return a phone with a "perfect screen" and held out. You are out of the 14 day return for any reason window and since the issue is possibly software related I would hold out for now.
This.

After trying 4 different devices and seeing how difficult it is to find a “perfect” screen, especially on the Pro Max. Now I have a very good screen—not perfectly uniform, but still okay. The idea of repeating the screen lottery with refurbished units would stress me out immensely.

I restored the phone in DFU mode, manually installing each app one by one. I managed to do everything in about an hour and a half.

The touchscreen and keyboard arena snappier buy probably it’s kind of placebo.

This year, for the first time, I imported the backup from iCloud onto the new iPhone instead of setting it up from scratch, and coincidentally, these issues appeared.





Let’s hope what I did is the definitive fix!
 
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This.

After trying 4 different devices and seeing how difficult it is to find a “perfect” screen, especially on the Pro Max. Now I have a very good screen—not perfectly uniform, but still okay. The idea of repeating the screen lottery with refurbished units would stress me out immensely.

I restored the phone in DFU mode, manually installing each app one by one. I managed to do everything in about an hour and a half.

The touchscreen and keyboard arena snappier buy probably it’s kind of placebo.

This year, for the first time, I imported the backup from iCloud onto the new iPhone instead of setting it up from scratch, and coincidentally, these issues appeared.





Let’s hope what I did is the definitive fix.
I hope it works and you are able to keep the phone that you are otherwise happy with.
 
I feel that the serial number, whether new or refurbished, shouldn't matter. You still get a new outer shell, new display, new battery and more stringent testing of the device - extra points for the new battery cycle count of 0. I have purchased iPhones and MacBooks from the Apple Refurbished store and I couldn't even tell they were refurbs, aside from the generic white box. If you buy a used car and it looks and performs the same as a brand new car, does it really matter that you know it is used?
The parallel with a used car doesn’t work very well: in a car there are a lot of moving mechanical parts that could be stress fatigued over the time. So even if you buy a car that looks and performs the same as a brand new, reliability over the time could be different.

Apple’s warranty terms and conditions literally says they use used parts. There have been several lawsuits that Apple has settled, all based on this fact that salvaged components are used.

Not sure what your example is supposed to argue. Yes, refurbished devices have the same warranty as new devices. It doesn’t mean reliability is the same.

Apple only claims the battery and chassis of refurbs are replaced with new. They make no claims about the display or logic board. Those are the two most expensive components. If those parts were new, Apple would say so.

You are technicaly right, but a logic board that is just a few months old, like a 15 Pro or a 16 Pro, is as reliable as a new one.

This.

After trying 4 different devices and seeing how difficult it is to find a “perfect” screen, especially on the Pro Max. Now I have a very good screen—not perfectly uniform, but still okay. The idea of repeating the screen lottery with refurbished units would stress me out immensely.

I restored the phone in DFU mode, manually installing each app one by one. I managed to do everything in about an hour and a half.

The touchscreen and keyboard arena snappier buy probably it’s kind of placebo.

This year, for the first time, I imported the backup from iCloud onto the new iPhone instead of setting it up from scratch, and coincidentally, these issues appeared.





Let’s hope what I did is the definitive fix!
You tried 4 different units, so you are part of the “problem” you are worried about: the 3 previous units you discharged are now in the refurbished basket to be checked and sent to another customer (technically you could receive one of your previously discharged unit 😅).
 
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You are technicaly right, but a logic board that is just a few months old, like a 15 Pro or a 16 Pro, is as reliable as a new one.

Age is not the concern. It’s about where they come from. Apple has the right to use salvaged logic boards for refurbs. Where are those salvaged boards from?

By now, there are probably hundreds of thousands open box returns or damaged iPhone 16 Pros from AppleCare claims. Many of those will be significantly damaged due to drops. Those phones will have their displays and logic boards salvaged. Those boards are going into refurb devices.
 
Age is not the concern. It’s about where they come from. Apple has the right to use salvaged logic boards for refurbs. Where are those salvaged boards from?

By now, there are probably hundreds of thousands open box returns or damaged iPhone 16 Pros from AppleCare claims. Many of those will be significantly damaged due to drops. Those phones will have their displays and logic boards salvaged. Those boards are going into refurb devices.
A logic board can hardly be damaged from a drop. Your point is baseless. A display can be damaged indeed, but in this case the issue is quite visible and the unit wont be refurbished without a new display.
A logic board is usually damaged by corrosion or electromigration, a process that occurs over the time.
 
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