new samsung 830 ssd gets a great review

[philipma1957]

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Samsung-SSD-830-Series-Preview/?page=1


basically the best sata III ssd ever( preformance only) according to this reviewer. wins at every single category but one it uses the cpu up a bit. this looks like the perfect ssd for a 2011 mac mini server. it comes out in a week or so. of course to be the best ssd ever it has to be just as reliable as the samsung series 470 sata ii ssd is.

Even if it is the fastest.

it needs a good price and reliability.

one good thing it is all samsung.


here is another review


http://www.anandtech.com/show/4863/the-samsung-ssd-830-review


pricing may be close to the series 470




another great review


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-830-ssd-toggle-mode,3034.html


it would be very nice it all this hype is true

 

[cdylanmr]

Have you heard anything more on the new 830 ssd? Would they be reliable and work well with a mini?

I was thinking of putting a 256gb 830 in a new 2.3ghz mini along with 8gb (2x4gb) of samsung memory.

 

[philipma1957]

funny you should ask. I just got the cheap one the 64gb version delivered from amazon today. cost me about 130 I also got some kingston 1600 ram I am looking to supercharge my sever on the cheap.



I have been really busy selling minis on ebay and today I sold my pride and joy my 2010 hex core mac pro. So a this tells you how much i like the new server mini. I am using the new mini and a promise pegasus r6. I got very good prices on both but spent 2200 total. list price is 2600. I sold the mac pro for 3000 after fees shipping etc. so I have some left over cash to play with.

For my needs of large fast storage and a good cpu the mac mini setup works for me at less price and less electricity spent. 100 watts an hour vs 300 watts adds up. I don't game so the video is not an issue.

I will test the server with the new samsung and with 8gb of 1600 ram. I will post in a few days.




http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MZ7PC064ZD


125 use spooky and get 15 bucks off. i am going to use 2 64gb ones in a raid0 inside a lacie little big disk but that will be around the 20th.

 

[ejosepha]

funny you should ask. I just got the cheap one the 64gb version delivered from amazon today. cost me about 130 I also got some kingston 1600 ram I am looking to supercharge my sever on the cheap.



I have been really busy selling minis on ebay and today I sold my pride and joy my 2010 hex core mac pro. So a this tells you how much i like the new server mini. I am using the new mini and a promise pegasus r6. I got very good prices on both but spent 2200 total. list price is 2600. I sold the mac pro for 3000 after fees shipping etc. so I have some left over cash to play with.

For my needs of large fast storage and a good cpu the mac mini setup works for me at less price and less electricity spent. 100 watts an hour vs 300 watts adds up. I don't game so the video is not an issue.

I will test the server with the new samsung and with 8gb of 1600 ram. I will post in a few days.




http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MZ7PC064ZD


125 use spooky and get 15 bucks off. i am going to use 2 64gb ones in a raid0 inside a lacie little big disk but that will be around the 20th.

I have mostly tried the OWC ssds so far because I was told that they keep up their performance levels over time. I was contemplating putting the Samsung 830 in my new Mac Mini 2.7 I7, but had two questions:
Will it be a problem to install the drive being that it is thinner than most?
How do you keep the drive from losing performance over time? I know that Samsung includes some management tools for firmware updates and maintenance, but it is only for Windows systems.
I have ordered the OWC 6G but it would in fact be easier for me to buy the Samsung 830, which is currently available in France. I just want to stay clear of SSD performance problems.
Any suggestions would be welcomed.

 

[lali]

I have been really busy selling minis on ebay and today I sold my pride and joy my 2010 hex core mac pro. So a this tells you how much i like the new server mini. I am using the new mini and a promise pegasus r6. I got very good prices on both but spent 2200 total. list price is 2600. I sold the mac pro for 3000 after fees shipping etc. so I have some left over cash to play with.

For my needs of large fast storage and a good cpu the mac mini setup works for me at less price and less electricity spent. 100 watts an hour vs 300 watts adds up. I don't game so the video is not an issue.

I will test the server with the new samsung and with 8gb of 1600 ram. I will post in a few days.

Hi

I am surprised to hear about your Mac Mini experience (in a good way). Especially since you achieved such success with Mac Pro's and shared your great knowledge of cpu's and upgrading with everyone, the Mac Pro gang will miss your insights I am sure.

I would like to know your vendor name on ebay and see what you have to sell just in case.

Also, heads-up on the pegasus R6 disconnect issue, which you may or may not experience at all. The short version is that for some people it disconnects at random. And some folks have linked that behaviour to cell phone proximity to the cable or to the R6. No clear resolution at this time. Pegasus doing field testing.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3181015?start=0&tstart=0

I think you are a tweaker so let us know where your Mac Mini upgrades take you (geekbench etc!) I am thinking of adding a mini after the hollidays to my network and just use it to encode in handbrake.

Thanks

François

 

[philipma1957]

OKAY here goes first test will be a geekbench 64 bit with the server 500gb 7200rpm hdds and 8gb ram from skill. nice improvement with a simple ram switch. 2 x 4gb sticks of ram from kingston . raise scores a lot.


8gb gskill 1333 type 5196 memory performance 6328 memory bandwidth.> 9582 full score



8gb hyperx 1600 type 5471 memory performance 6758 memory bandwidth. > 9752 full score.



so if you buy a server and you want to go to 8gb ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104257


this is 78 bucks and is faster then this one


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231295


this is 35 on a shell shocker more often 45. I have modded more then 30 minis with this ram flawless and low cost. but for speed freaks the kingston may be better.
I am going to add the new samsung ssd to this machine on wed.

 

[lali]

OKAY here goes first test will be a geekbench 64 bit with the server 500gb 7200rpm hdds and 8gb ram from skill

Almost 3 times faster than my iMac 24" C2D....!

 

[philipma1957]

Almost 3 times faster than my iMac 24" C2D....!

yeah these new cpus are smoking fast.

 

[ejosepha]

I have mostly tried the OWC ssds so far because I was told that they keep up their performance levels over time. I was contemplating putting the Samsung 830 in my new Mac Mini 2.7 I7, but had two questions:
Will it be a problem to install the drive being that it is thinner than most?
How do you keep the drive from losing performance over time? I know that Samsung includes some management tools for firmware updates and maintenance, but it is only for Windows systems.
I have ordered the OWC 6G but it would in fact be easier for me to buy the Samsung 830, which is currently available in France. I just want to stay clear of SSD performance problems.
Any suggestions would be welcomed.

I am about to buy the owc mercury pro 6g, but it would be much easier for me to get the samsung 830 here in France. Can anyone address my two hesitations above. It seems that the samsung ssds are tailored for windows systems to avoid performance degradation. I'm not interested in having to perform too many manipulations just to have a drive perform as bought.
Is the inherent garbage collection on these samsung drives sufficient to keep up performance, or am I better off going with the owc, which claim to have licked performance degradation without TRIM or secure erasing, etc.
Thanks

 

[DustinT]

I am about to buy the owc mercury pro 6g, but it would be much easier for me to get the samsung 830 here in France. Can anyone address my two hesitations above. It seems that the samsung ssds are tailored for windows systems to avoid performance degradation. I'm not interested in having to perform too many manipulations just to have a drive perform as bought.
Is the inherent garbage collection on these samsung drives sufficient to keep up performance, or am I better off going with the owc, which claim to have licked performance degradation without TRIM or secure erasing, etc.
Thanks

I'm afraid the answer to that will depend on how you use the system. Sandforce based systems are the best at working with Mac OS X since it doesn't have TRIM for third SSDs and the Sandforce solution is the most resilient but it can even be overwhelmed temporarily.

Having said all that, most *typical* users would probably be fine with the Samsung SSD. But, if you tend to fill your drive over 80% with incompressible data like Music, Photos or Music you'll probably be better off with a Sandforce based solution like the OWC you already ordered versus any other competing SSD.

In general, SSDs are happy if they have 30% or more free space and aren't constantly being asked to write incompressible data. So, you'll want to look at how much capacity you need for your files and programs and make sure you are buying a model that will leave you with at least 30% free space for best results.

 

[ejosepha]

I'm afraid the answer to that will depend on how you use the system. Sandforce based systems are the best at working with Mac OS X since it doesn't have TRIM for third SSDs and the Sandforce solution is the most resilient but it can even be overwhelmed temporarily.

Having said all that, most *typical* users would probably be fine with the Samsung SSD. But, if you tend to fill your drive over 80% with incompressible data like Music, Photos or Music you'll probably be better off with a Sandforce based solution like the OWC you already ordered versus any other competing SSD.

In general, SSDs are happy if they have 30% or more free space and aren't constantly being asked to write incompressible data. So, you'll want to look at how much capacity you need for your files and programs and make sure you are buying a model that will leave you with at least 30% free space for best results.

Thanks very much for the info.
If I do leave the Samsung 830 with at least 30% free space, does it have it's own independent system to keep performance at peek, especially since I won't have TRIM or any other means employed?
I know that I will rarely use more than even 50% of the 256 GB, but I don't want to have to take the ssd out from time to time and go to a PC to update it's firmware or manage the drive to maximize performance.
If this is ultimately the case, perhaps you are right to just go with the OWC.
Thanks again

 

[philipma1957]

Thanks very much for the info.
If I do leave the Samsung 830 with at least 30% free space, does it have it's own independent system to keep performance at peek, especially since I won't have TRIM or any other means employed?
I know that I will rarely use more than even 50% of the 256 GB, but I don't want to have to take the ssd out from time to time and go to a PC to update it's firmware or manage the drive to maximize performance.
If this is ultimately the case, perhaps you are right to just go with the OWC.
Thanks again

this pc type maintenance may be needed. In the long run I may be able to do it by having the ssd in an external t-bolt case. I have a promise pegasus r6 that will boot at high speed and allow pulling the ssd out with ease. but the pegasus unit is really expensive 1500 for the 6 bay and 1000 for the 4 bay unit. I think a 4 or 6 bay easy swap unit for t-bolt is a great idea and if it was not expensive it would sell like mad. I will post back with the samsung tests later today