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beng73_2201

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Hello,

I'm wanting to pop my Macbook cherry. I've always used PC's in the past. Basically the idea was to have an easy place to upload my photos from my iphone and I was thinking airdrop would be a good way to do this. I'm also wanting good battery life (my Dell & Toshiba are *****). That's my two main reasons.

All I do is basic office work with MS office and online applications. Would a Macbook Air be sufficient?

And would going to a macbook make the photo dump off the iphone easier? (first world problems I know)

Any help or tips appriciated!

Ben
 
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fwmireault

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I also recommend an Apple Silicon MacBook Air. Regarding your second question, having a Mac facilitates data transfer for sure, and AirDrop works pretty well overall. But I don't know if you only want local storage for your pictures, because if you're willing to consider cloud based storage (iCloud, Google Photos, Dropbox), you don't really need a Mac to have your photos in sync with your laptop. Even if you get a Mac, I think iCloud is a more elegant and less cumbersome solution than AirDropping every photo you have.
 

Isamilis

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Apr 3, 2012
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Hello,

I'm wanting to pop my Macbook cherry. I've always used PC's in the past. Basically the idea was to have an easy place to upload my photos from my iphone and I was thinking airdrop would be a good way to do this. I'm also wanting good battery life (my Dell & Toshiba are *****). That's my two main reasons.

All I do is basic office work with MS office and online applications. Would a Macbook Air be sufficient?

And would going to a macbook make the photo dump off the iphone easier? (first world problems I know)

Any help or tips appriciated!

Ben
You can use iCloud (there is 5gb free for try out) to transfer your photo. No need Mac for that. But, if you need a laptop for other purposes, MacBook Air M2 is the one with best battery life.
 

raythompsontn

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Feb 8, 2023
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I bought a MB Air M2 several months ago and I come from a heavy Windows background and beyond. DOS 1.0 and Windows 3.1 come to mind. I also did software development in the Windows environment.

There are some differences between the two environments and it will take some adjustment. I am not going to debate the merits of either system, just relay the differences that caused me issues.

The first is the Delete key. On Windows the delete key deletes to the right of the cursor. On Mac it deletes to the left of the cursor, something the backspace provided on Windows. There is no backspace key on Mac as the delete key replaces that function. There is no equivalent of the Windows delete key despite the naming.

CTL-C, CTL-X and CTL-V do not work the Mac like they did on Windows. Instead the Command-C, Command-X and Command-V are used instead. It is an adjustment in the placement of the fingers and sometimes requires some thought to the OS environment in which a person is operating.

Moving files around is different. Dragging files, or folders, to the same physical storage unit (well at least on the Mac), will move the files rather than copy. In Windows doing the same would copy. To copy press the Option button to drag and drop with a copy. The plus sign around the objects being copied helps.

The top menu changes depending on the app that has focus. There are no menus on each window, just a main menu at the top of the screen. This is different than Windows.

The window resize, close, maximize are on the left on the Mac as opposed to the right side for Windows.

When using the red dot to "close" a Mac app, the app is not really closed. Just taken off the screen. To truly close an app on the Mac requires the app to the active app, with it's menu at the top, then click on the app name and click on Quite [app-name]. Different than Windows where closing an app, truly closed the app.

If you get a Mac Magic mouse be certain to configure the mouse for right click or get a true two button mouse. There are many 3rd party rodents that are better, and cheaper, than the Apple Magic mouse in my opinion.

Scrolling is different in the default option for the Mac when using the trackpad or mouse. This can be changed in the Settings to function the same as Windows. That will make the transition easier.

Have patience, use the Web if you have issues and you will generally find a solution.

I have a Surface Pro laptop along with my Windows desktop. On a recent trip to Europe I took the Mac. There are a couple of Windows apps that I need and I used Parallels for those apps. The reason for taking the Mac rather than the Surface was the integration of the Mac with my iPhone and Watch. Pictures taken on my iPhone were uploaded to iCloud and I could easily view, modify, and manipulate on the Mac. The pictures were also safely stored in iCloud so the loss of images was a moot consideration. The integration is second to none.

You may also want to consider getting a second charger, Apple or other brand (Anker is excellent), and an extra power cable. USB-C to USB-C or the USB-C to MagSafe cable. A few extra dollars and I can carry a charger in my bag without having to get under my desk to retrieve the charger.

After 10 months I am still adjusting and find myself having to think about the way Mac does things. Things I do in Windows without much thinking require pausing and thinking about what I am doing. That comes from dozens of years of using Windows and muscle memory.

The M2 Air is an excellent machine. As is the Microsoft Surface Laptop. I use both. And I marvel at the capabilities, the speed, the storage, the ability to run sophisticated apps, connectivity that current laptops provide. Stuff that 20 years ago required a beefy desktop or laptop that cost a small fortune. We are in truly amazing times.

My advice is skip the M1 Air and instead go for the M2 Air. The minimal configuration will serve you well to learn. Maybe in two or three years you will move up the scale. I found the M2 Air with 16 Gig and 1 TB for my use to be an overkill combination for myself and my use. I use Lightroom and Photoshop extensively. They run flawlessly in my configuration. Even photos that are huge with several dozen layers work just fine. I could have worked well with the minimal configuration. But Adobe, being Adobe, I figure Adobe will need more and more resources so I wanted to future proof somewhat.
 

brgjoe

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Great stuff, @raythompsontn.

Sounds like we come from similar computing timelines. I remember early DOS and command line usage, as well as finally trying out Windows 3.1 and beyond. I'm just so used to the way Windows works that the Mac OS seems very unintuitive to me. Of course a lot of Mac users think just the opposite.

I tried to use a Mac when I bought an Intel Mac with Snow Leopard. I tried to get used to it, but my Windows brain kept me from truly being comfortable with it. But seeing you and your background learn to use it, I am thinking of giving it another go. And now there are lot more tutorials out there for us Windows users to learn from in the switch to the way of the Mac.

And of course this fine place for people like me to ask stupid questions about how to operate their new Macbooks. So yeah, I think I'll get a Macbook air later on in the Fall. Like when the rumored M3's come out, I might snag an M2 one on sale.

Thanks again for the fine post and all the info!
 

Starfia

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Apr 11, 2011
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Hi, Ben,

It looks like enough people have elaborated on the choice of an Apple Silicon MacBook Air that I needn't. Obviously, make sure that you have enough storage – especially if you plan to store your entire photo library on it for years to come – and if you aim to use it for more than five years, which Macs typically exceed when cared for, then consider ordering with 16GB memory rather than just eight.

So I'll talk a little about photos. (Perhaps you know all this, but I'll risk there's something helpful in these basics.)

If you're paying for iCloud storage and have enough space, the point of "iCloud Photos" is to store your entire photo library and make it accessible using the Photos app on any device (Mac, iPhone, et cetera), and since they're just accessing the cloud, neither device has a major burden to store them. And since iCloud handles this automatically, there's no need to think about transferring them yourself.

By contrast, my own way has always been never to pay for iCloud or store photos in it. I use the Mac's Photos app as the canonical repository for my entire personal library with everything stored on disk, and I regularly take and transfer photos from my iPhone and other devices to it.

You can certainly use AirDrop to transfer photos and videos from your iPhone to your Mac, though if your goal is to put them in the Mac's Photos app, then this is a two-step process: AirDropping to the Mac, then locating those files in your downloads folder to move them to that app. An even more traditional and straightforward way is to connect your iPhone to your Mac with a cable, open the Mac's Photos app, and import directly to your photo library using the provided interface.

More about all this:


Good luck with the new Mac. ^ ^
 

Bazza1

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May 16, 2017
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Toronto, Canada
Great stuff, @raythompsontn.

Sounds like we come from similar computing timelines. I remember early DOS and command line usage, as well as finally trying out Windows 3.1 and beyond. I'm just so used to the way Windows works that the Mac OS seems very unintuitive to me. Of course a lot of Mac users think just the opposite.

I tried to use a Mac when I bought an Intel Mac with Snow Leopard. I tried to get used to it, but my Windows brain kept me from truly being comfortable with it. But seeing you and your background learn to use it, I am thinking of giving it another go. And now there are lot more tutorials out there for us Windows users to learn from in the switch to the way of the Mac.

And of course this fine place for people like me to ask stupid questions about how to operate their new Macbooks. So yeah, I think I'll get a Macbook air later on in the Fall. Like when the rumored M3's come out, I might snag an M2 one on sale.

Thanks again for the fine post and all the info!

This all sound familiar. While I'd always been OS-ambidextrous, my personal machines had always been Windows - up until Win8 finally broke me. And that's having lived thru Vista - so that's saying something! 😏 Did the jump to Mac full-time with a purchase of a spiffy new 11" Air, and haven't looked back. Currently with an 'old' 13" Air (which still does all I need it to do and more) and a M2 Mini.
Yes, even with previous experience with Mac, I found there was some brain retraining to do - but nothing too onerous. And. like you say, there's always Forums like here from which to cull info and ask for help.

And when you (or the OP) do decide to make the leap, I would encourage you to check out the Apple Store's online Refurb / Clearance site. They bury in the fine print at the bottom of the Store's mainpage. These can be open box returns (buyer's remorse, buyer decides they want different specs, color, etc), and the occasional minor repair. Arguably better inspected than from factory - done individually - and all come with regular Apple warranty as well as opportunity to buy AppleCare. Stock changes constantly and discounts vary, but can be very attractive. Shipping free.

As for OP's original posting - many of the above have already offered opinions and solutions. No need to rehash that - but certainly having products that 'talk' to each other (either through iCloud, AirDrop or via Syncing) makes a lot of work easier. iCloud's own basic storage can also be increased at very little cost. Syncing can also put a backup on your new Mac - not just 'in the cloud'.
 

Jay Tee

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Mar 17, 2023
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As for OP's original posting - many of the above have already offered opinions and solutions. No need to rehash that - but certainly having products that 'talk' to each other (either through iCloud, AirDrop or via Syncing) makes a lot of work easier. iCloud's own basic storage can also be increased at very little cost. Syncing can also put a backup on your new Mac - not just 'in the cloud'.

It’s beyond me how anyone can have several Apple devices and not invest in iCloud Drive storage. I wouldn’t suggest getting into Apple without iCloud.
 
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RUGERMAN

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Jun 12, 2010
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Hello,

I'm wanting to pop my Macbook cherry. I've always used PC's in the past. Basically the idea was to have an easy place to upload my photos from my iphone and I was thinking airdrop would be a good way to do this. I'm also wanting good battery life (my Dell & Toshiba are *****). That's my two main reasons.

All I do is basic office work with MS office and online applications. Would a Macbook Air be sufficient?

And would going to a macbook make the photo dump off the iphone easier? (first world problems I know)

Any help or tips appriciated!

Ben
photo bump easier?? when I take a picture on my iPhone 11 it's automatically on my Mac and on my iPad. no dump of any kind required.
 

SnowCrocodile

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Nov 21, 2022
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Hello,

I'm wanting to pop my Macbook cherry. I've always used PC's in the past. Basically the idea was to have an easy place to upload my photos from my iphone and I was thinking airdrop would be a good way to do this. I'm also wanting good battery life (my Dell & Toshiba are *****). That's my two main reasons.

All I do is basic office work with MS office and online applications. Would a Macbook Air be sufficient?

And would going to a macbook make the photo dump off the iphone easier? (first world problems I know)

Any help or tips appriciated!

Ben
As to these two specific issues, yes and yes.

The photo upload can be easily handled on Windows using Onedrive. iCloud Photos for Windows also works.

The battery longevity is indeed one of my main complaints with Windows laptops. Very rarely do the live up anywhere close to the advertised battery life, especially the more powerful configs. Apple Silicone Macs indeed have a great battery life.

But MacOS is not without its own issues. One of the more annoying ones is trying to use it with a non-Apple external monitor.
 

Chuckeee

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Aug 18, 2023
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It’s beyond me how anyone can have several Apple devices and not invest in iCloud Drive storage. I wouldn’t suggest getting into Apple without iCloud.

Some people (including myself) are just a bit too paranoid and are overly concerned about privacy to trust ANY cloud storage. I’ll grant you Apple iCloud is probably better than similar cloud offerings from Google or Microsoft. But it is still not enough to alleviate my concerns.
 
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SnowCrocodile

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Some people (including myself) are just a bit too paranoid and are overly concerned about privacy to trust ANY cloud storage. I’ll grant you Apple iCloud is probably better than similar cloud offerings from Google or Microsoft. But it is still not enough to alleviate my concerns.
So these people don't use email? Or the cell phones that record your every move ? How about the OS in your laptop or phone ? It has access to every file...

There are many ways to protect the sensitive data on upload to cloud storage (see Cryptomator, for example).
 

EsbenMF

macrumors newbie
Oct 26, 2022
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I bought a MB Air M2 several months ago and I come from a heavy Windows background and beyond. DOS 1.0 and Windows 3.1 come to mind. I also did software development in the Windows environment.

There are some differences between the two environments and it will take some adjustment. I am not going to debate the merits of either system, just relay the differences that caused me issues.

The first is the Delete key. On Windows the delete key deletes to the right of the cursor. On Mac it deletes to the left of the cursor, something the backspace provided on Windows. There is no backspace key on Mac as the delete key replaces that function. There is no equivalent of the Windows delete key despite the naming.

CTL-C, CTL-X and CTL-V do not work the Mac like they did on Windows. Instead the Command-C, Command-X and Command-V are used instead. It is an adjustment in the placement of the fingers and sometimes requires some thought to the OS environment in which a person is operating.

Moving files around is different. Dragging files, or folders, to the same physical storage unit (well at least on the Mac), will move the files rather than copy. In Windows doing the same would copy. To copy press the Option button to drag and drop with a copy. The plus sign around the objects being copied helps.

The top menu changes depending on the app that has focus. There are no menus on each window, just a main menu at the top of the screen. This is different than Windows.

The window resize, close, maximize are on the left on the Mac as opposed to the right side for Windows.

When using the red dot to "close" a Mac app, the app is not really closed. Just taken off the screen. To truly close an app on the Mac requires the app to the active app, with it's menu at the top, then click on the app name and click on Quite [app-name]. Different than Windows where closing an app, truly closed the app.

If you get a Mac Magic mouse be certain to configure the mouse for right click or get a true two button mouse. There are many 3rd party rodents that are better, and cheaper, than the Apple Magic mouse in my opinion.

Scrolling is different in the default option for the Mac when using the trackpad or mouse. This can be changed in the Settings to function the same as Windows. That will make the transition easier.

Have patience, use the Web if you have issues and you will generally find a solution.

I have a Surface Pro laptop along with my Windows desktop. On a recent trip to Europe I took the Mac. There are a couple of Windows apps that I need and I used Parallels for those apps. The reason for taking the Mac rather than the Surface was the integration of the Mac with my iPhone and Watch. Pictures taken on my iPhone were uploaded to iCloud and I could easily view, modify, and manipulate on the Mac. The pictures were also safely stored in iCloud so the loss of images was a moot consideration. The integration is second to none.

You may also want to consider getting a second charger, Apple or other brand (Anker is excellent), and an extra power cable. USB-C to USB-C or the USB-C to MagSafe cable. A few extra dollars and I can carry a charger in my bag without having to get under my desk to retrieve the charger.

After 10 months I am still adjusting and find myself having to think about the way Mac does things. Things I do in Windows without much thinking require pausing and thinking about what I am doing. That comes from dozens of years of using Windows and muscle memory.

The M2 Air is an excellent machine. As is the Microsoft Surface Laptop. I use both. And I marvel at the capabilities, the speed, the storage, the ability to run sophisticated apps, connectivity that current laptops provide. Stuff that 20 years ago required a beefy desktop or laptop that cost a small fortune. We are in truly amazing times.

My advice is skip the M1 Air and instead go for the M2 Air. The minimal configuration will serve you well to learn. Maybe in two or three years you will move up the scale. I found the M2 Air with 16 Gig and 1 TB for my use to be an overkill combination for myself and my use. I use Lightroom and Photoshop extensively. They run flawlessly in my configuration. Even photos that are huge with several dozen layers work just fine. I could have worked well with the minimal configuration. But Adobe, being Adobe, I figure Adobe will need more and more resources so I wanted to future proof somewhat.

I don't know if you already know this, but here goes:

Ref. Delete key: fn+delete keys is equivalent to the Delete key in Windows.

Ref. closing apps: I find it the easiest to have my left thumb pressing the left command key, the middle finger toggling the apps, and Q quitting the app you want to quit. Unless of course it is the app in focus, then it's just command+Q.
 
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raythompsontn

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I don't know if you already know this, but here goes:

Ref. Delete key: fn+delete keys is equivalent to the Delete key in Windows.
I did. I much prefer a dedicated delete and backspace key rather than having to do some key combination. I was merely pointing out that a dedicated equivalent of the Windows delete key does not exist on the MAC. The delete key functions differently than the delete key in the Windows environment. That has actually tripped me up more than any other change in the keyboard commands.

I do not like CMD-C, X, V, etc. as the CMD key is too close to those keys. Rather than use my pinky finger I have to use my thumb. That is not quite as versatile in my opinion.

MAC trained people would probably say otherwise and find the keys, and key combinations second nature. Muscle memory.
 
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Chuckeee

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These are worth your time, if you're concerned about iCloud:

Apple Encrypts the Cloud

Apple Says No

Like I previously stated I believe Apple iCloud is better than many alternatives including Google and Microsoft (that historically have been security sieves). I’m just a bit paranoid and I just don’t totally trust encryption. Heck on my Mac at home i only used hard wired internet and i physically disconnected that when it’s not in active use.

If you are happy with cloud based archiving and computing, more power to you. I’m just not convinced
 
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