Newly copied files ignoring alphabetical order

[Ben J.]

I just manually downloaded Ventura 13.7 installer from app store to create a bootable installer. It ended up in the apps folder, like it should, but at the top, even though it begins with an 'I' as in "Install.…", even though the folder is sorted alphabetically by name.

This happens sometimes and is likely made this way to make recent stuff easier to find. I don't like it at all. I forget about it, and it takes a while to remember and finally find the file.

Anyone know a setting to turn this off?
Thanks.

 

[chabig]

It's not a setting to turn off. Your View by setting has probably changed to something like date added. Just set it back to View > Sort by > Name

 

[Ben J.]

It's not a setting to turn off. Your View by setting has probably changed to something like date added. Just set it back to View > Sort by > Name

I'm not a fool. I know when my sort order is set to 'name', and I can see that the newly downloaded file is 'out of order'. I have seen this occur occasionally over many years, over many versions of macOS, but I never bothered with it, because it's only a small annoyance, and it corrects itself after a little while. I'm convinced this is a thing that's by design in some way.

 

[gilby101]

This happens sometimes and is likely made this way to make recent stuff easier to find. I don't like it at all. I forget about it, and it takes a while to remember and finally find the file.

1) Have you enabled Finder > Settings > Keep folders on top: In Windows when sorting by name?
2) Are you absolutely sure you have the app in /Applications and not an alias to the app? This is easy to miss.
I ask because with the "keep folders on top" enabled, aliases as well as folders are on top - this is a quirk (bug?) of Finder only when viewing /Applications.

 

[Ben J.]

1) Have you enabled Finder > Settings > Keep folders on top: In Windows when sorting by name?
2) Are you absolutely sure you have the app in /Applications and not an alias to the app? This is easy to miss.
I ask because with the "keep folders on top" enabled, aliases as well as folders are on top - this is a quirk (bug?) of Finder only when viewing /Applications.

1) No.
2) Absolutely sure.

Like I said, I very rarely see it happening, and I can't recreate it now, copying files, downloading files. And since it's so rare, it might just be that the other times I've seen it has also been when downloading a macOS installer. That it has to do with the fact that it's somehow programmed to download to the apps folder.

I could have done another download from the apple server to test, but I don't have the time for that now.

 

[ThrowerGB]

1) No.
2) Absolutely sure.

Like I said, I very rarely see it happening, and I can't recreate it now, copying files, downloading files. And since it's so rare, it might just be that the other times I've seen it has also been when downloading a macOS installer. That it has to do with the fact that it's somehow programmed to download to the apps folder.

I could have done another download from the apple server to test, but I don't have the time for that now.

I see it occasionally too and I agree it's annoying. I haven't investigated it much because I'm hoping Apple fixes the problem. I don't want to spend my time documenting instances of the problem while I'm trying to get my own work done. I expect this happens enough that Apple is aware of the problem but doesn't give it much priority. Just like the many many other problems it doesn't address.
However, here are some thoughts: It seems as though updating to the correct order is waiting in a signal in the software that isn't triggering properly. I see it correct itself when other actions occur, but I haven't paid enough attention to document which ones. I think it's worth investigating whether it occurs based on which columns are displayed.