Some of us are annoyed that we have upgraded MP's that technically meet the criteria, but can't upgrade because of the obvious reasons.
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(NEWS) Mountain Lion Mac Pro 1,1
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I't just planned obsolescence at it's finest.
Even worse than the 1,1 scenario - My Mid 07 Santa Rosa MacBook is a 64 Bit EFI and DC, and it is not compatible either.
Oh well....
Even worse than the 1,1 scenario - My Mid 07 Santa Rosa MacBook is a 64 Bit EFI and DC, and it is not compatible either.
Oh well....
I've upgraded my MP 1.1(now 2.1) as well but not annoyed because all I did is not official updates. So I don't need Apple's support to run Mountain Lion. I use Chameleon to run Mountain Lion without any problems.
Do you believe that Apple has responsibility to support unofficial upgraded Macs? Well, I don't think so.
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Has anyone with a 1,1 actually bought 10.8 from the app store? Does it just allow you to do that? I'm a bit surprised that there's no compatibility chart on the purchase page. The only requirement mentioned is 10.6.8
Indeed. It's listed in a separate link, but it should be on the App Store as well.
http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/specs/
Yeah, found that after. Still, bit surprised it's not clear on the buy now page. If I hadn't already been aware of this issue, I would definitely have purchased!
On top of abandoning many mac owners, greedy Apple uses a despicable trick to make them buy a product that they can't use. All apple cares about is $$$$$.
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Then, all of a sudden, after 6 year of its release, people think "labeled as 64bit" is misleading and think of a class action? just because Apple won't support Mac Pro 1.1 anymore?
Wow, amazing
Obviously, you know nothing about consumer rights. For your info, misleading tactics can bring a house down, all you need is a class action good lawyers.
I stand by what I said: 1,1 should be supported at least for the next 4 years. Any attempt by Apple to abandon us should be faced by the law. Because of their misleading and abandoning us, either Apple upgrades and let us use ML , or else give us new Macs.
Technically it is still supported. Lion will continue to get updates for several years (just like Snow Leopard still gets updates). And actually, you bought your Mac Pro 1,1 with 10.4 (Tiger) and last I checked that still runs on the Mac Pros so really Apple has not taken away your ability to use the OS you bought it with.
What I am saying is, it might be difficult to win a trial where Apple is not impeding your ability to use the computer as you bought it. What about all the PowerMac users? They can't use anything past 10.5 and they could have bought theirs up until the start of 2006 (and Snow leopard was released Mid-2009 so they may have only gotten 3.5 years worth of OS updates)....
But hey, feel free to spend your hard earned money suing Apple. Their litigation team is probably trembling in their boots right now (or licking their chops)...
Edit: And further, did Apple ever promise 10 years of updates? Because unless they promised 10 years of OSX updates, you really have no leg to stand on since it is just your "opinion" that it should be supported for 10 years.
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Your approach to this issue is a bit "defeatist, surrenderist, give-up-ist". Do not underestimate the wrath of the customers, it can melt down a giant such as Apple.
I don't think you get my point: the business of computers is update and upgrades. Most of us here paid $3000 6 years ago for a wonderful machine that still kicks CPU a*ss today and I believe for the next 4 years or so. But why are we left behind as far as updates are concerned? Most of us are willing to pay extra $$$ for update and upgrades, RAM Video card, CPU etc. Why do I have to buy a new machine and spill extra $3000 after only 6 years? Besides as I said, this machine still rocks and does the job. Why do I have to shelve it and see it collect dust? Can you sit and enjoy looking at $3000 collecting dust? I can't.
I am pissed off at the idea that most softies that I use on my mac 1,1 Lion will update and need ML to function. Do you see the picture? I dont wish to get stuck with this machine just because Apple dont want to do their job, which they must do.
You should've sued Apple when you got MP1.1 then.
Because Tiger was 32-bit OS and Apple sold you MP 1.1 as a 64-bit workstation If that's what you think misleading is.
Like paulrbeers said, MP1.1 is still supported and 10.7.5 is on the way.
But if you don't like it, go sue Apple and good luck with that.
BTW, "else give us new Macs"??? who's greedy now?
So $3000 spent 6 years = $500 a year worth of use correct? Mac Pro is for professionals, did you get $500 worth of use out of your machine? Yes?
Further, you say it kicks CPU @$$ today. Really? Last I checked, Geekbench showed that the original 4 core (2 dual 2.66ghz) Mac Pros scored worse than a Base 2011 Mac Mini in CPU benchmarks. Even an upgraded 1,1 to 8 core (like I have), only marginally beats a Mac Mini server with a quad core 2.0ghz processor and is left in the dust by any Retina or 15" Macbook Pro.
Also, why are you shelving it? It still runs upto Lion does it not? Again, Apple is not stopping you from using it as is. There are people still rocking Power Macs today 6.5 years after Apple stopped selling them. There's your 4 years of additional service! I think you are being over dramatic and letting your feeling cloud your judgement.
I'm not defeatist at all, I'm a realist. Big difference. If you need to do Real Work with your Professional grade desktop, you probably need to buy something more powerful anyway. I myself just bought a 1,1 because I just needed a box to run a bunch of virtual machines for testing some web applications on different platforms without having to shut down and restart a VM every time I want to test on another platform. For that reason, a 1,1 running Lion (or hacked to run Mt Lion) with 8 cores (and 16+ GB of RAM) is perfect and will work great until it dies.
my 2,1 macpro gives 11669
http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
comparable with current hardware
not too shabby
I attempted to buy it on my Mac Pro 1,1 and the app store said, that my machine couldn't run it and wouldn't allow the purchase.
Did purchase it on my Macbook Pro without a problem.
my 2,1 macpro gives 11669
http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
comparable with current hardware
not too shabby
Agreed, either the 1,1 or the 2,1 both can run a max of 2 - X5365's (3.0ghz) which on these very benchmarks gets 11014 in 64bit. Comparing that to the base retina or 15" 2012 Macbook Pros which get 11798 and 11738. Very comparable. Start ramping up the processors though and the high end models you get 13260 and 13290 and these are just laptops!
Along those lines, even a Single 6-core W3680 which can even be put into a 2009 (if you do the 2009 to 2010 firmware hack) crushes any of these with a score of 15574 (not to mention any of the 8-12 core derivatives).
My point in the CPU @$$ kicking comment was simply that they don't kick the @$$ that they used to if laptops (even if they are high end laptops) can beat them. Let's not even talk about the energy usage difference between those laptops (that use an 85watt power supply) and a Mac Pro.... Remember, I did just buy a 1,1 and it is a wonderful machine for what I need it for, I just am not delusional that somehow it should be supported for all eternity.
Saying that MacPro is for professionals, is like saying Nike shoes are only for athletes.
Sir: emotion aside, I bought MacPRo because I wanted a machine that will last 10 years, just like when I buy nike shoes, I know they will last 3-4 years, call me a cheap fellow, but that is how I am. I am not a diva consumer like you may be. I dont throw my $$$ down the window just to show I consume; I don't follow trends, fashion or run after the latest gizmo, or crave the latest ipad. I could have spent my $3000 on the crappy $1000 imacs or macbooks, which last a couple months if only you use them 1 hour/day. I have a 10 year old Dell robust PC machine, that is still pumping CPU like an olympic horse and I sau and UPGRADABLE to the latest OS. Why can't I have a Mac puter that will last the same? I admit I prefer Macs, but hey, I am not going to be Apple's "whore", excuse the language. I trusted Apple, so, I deserve to be treated correctly, not cheated upon.
Perhaps you are a puter Geek and u know a lot about hacking and that is how u hacked your 1,1 into a ML running hackintosh. But Most of us are not like you. I don't want Apple to think "oh well, no ML support for 1,1, the hackintoshers will figure it out for the naive community", No way. Apple must support my mac until I decide I toss it away, they're not the one who should dictate to me that I need to toss it away, and $$$ buy a $NEW$ one.
That being said, perhaps you can tell us hw you upgraded 1,1 to 2,1 and how you hackintoshed to ML??? Although I know nothing about hacking etc, I might as well give it a try. Thanks in advance.
I just read the specs on ML - there really is nothing i am going to need. It's important for OS's to be up to date, just as long as Lion gets support for a couple more years (which makes for 8 years of a kick butt / current computer), i have no complaints
First off, if you want to make a point on an internet forum, it is usually best to not use "u" instead of "you" or "puter" instead of "computer". Is it really that hard to type the extra letters? If your intention is to come off as a 13-year-old then please continue using short hand when trying to make a point (might as well throw in an LOL and a few "likes" in there while you are at it).
Second, calling someone a "whore" or a "diva consumer" will automatically insight arguments. It is calling people names like this, that make you appear to be un-intelligent and ill-informed individual even if that isn't the case.
I figured, because you are new here, that maybe you haven't been involved in internet forums much, so I thought I would help you out.
Lastly, there is this thing called a search feature at the top of the page, it will help when you have questions about what others are doing:
1. How to upgrade from 1,1 to 2,1: Look about a dozen threads down form this one and it is right there! There's a simple tool to do it. (since again you are new here, here's a direct link: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1392341/ )
2. I've also not stated I've upgraded to Mt. Lion. I probably will, but there's a thread for that as well (again about a dozen or so down from this one). (again here's a link for the new guys/gals: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1365450/ )
I learned about all of the above, by just reading these forums and taking an informed approach to my hardware. As for your comment about the 10 years, I state again there is NOTHING wrong with your Mac Pro 1,1. It will continue to run for another 4 years will it not just the way it is? Then what's your problem? Just because you had an expectation (that was in no way backed up in writing) that it would get every OS for the next 10 years when you bought it, doesn't mean Apple did anything legally wrong....
Just my .02 worth. Let me know if you need any further help!
That was your first mistake. No machine will stay current/last/keep getting updates for 10 years. Ever.
All a Mac Pro is is a machine that will run faster for the 4 years that it is current. Faster machines do not mean machines that last longer.
This is the same lesson learned by everyone who bought a high end G5 and thought they were going to be supported for 10 years.
Ok, so where is the USB3, thunderbolt 16 Core Mac Pro?
¿Do I need to buy the same Mac Pro as 1.1 but with 64Efi to run ML?
