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(NEWS) Mountain Lion Mac Pro 1,1

goMac said:
That was your first mistake. No machine will stay current/last/keep getting updates for 10 years. Ever.

All a Mac Pro is is a machine that will run faster for the 4 years that it is current. Faster machines do not mean machines that last longer.

This is the same lesson learned by everyone who bought a high end G5 and thought they were going to be supported for 10 years.
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Maybe you should take a look at the current line-up of Mac Pros to realize they're selling a very similar machine to the 1,1. Your conclusions just don't hold up in any way you look at them, and certainly not from a business perspective, which takes into account support for what they are buying. At least we do here, but we do business, not just gaming with our machines.
 
ElderBrE said:
Maybe you should take a look at the current line-up of Mac Pros to realize they're selling a very similar machine to the 1,1. Your conclusions just don't hold up in any way you look at them, and certainly not from a business perspective, which takes into account support for what they are buying. At least we do here, but we do business, not just gaming with our machines.
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They look similar, but that's about as far as the similarities go.
 
ElderBrE said:
Maybe you should take a look at the current line-up of Mac Pros to realize they're selling a very similar machine to the 1,1. Your conclusions just don't hold up in any way you look at them, and certainly not from a business perspective, which takes into account support for what they are buying. At least we do here, but we do business, not just gaming with our machines.
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Whoa, back the truck up. Are you just comparing the way something looks on the outside to how it performs? Holy crap. I guess then the next time I go to a drag strip I can just assume that every car there is going to run the exact same since they all look the same....

Now if you want to say the 2006 to 2008 are the same, and the 2009 to 2012 are the same, I would agree entirely. But don't compare a 2006 and say it looks the same (and therefore is the same) as a 2012. Last I checked, the best you can make a 2006 do in benchmarks (by upgrading the processors to a 3.0ghz octo) was around 11000 but the 2012 12core 3.06ghz can pull 25000. Yeahhh, you don't know what you are talking about.

Where's the down vote grrrr!!!
 
ElderBrE said:
Maybe you should take a look at the current line-up of Mac Pros to realize they're selling a very similar machine to the 1,1. Your conclusions just don't hold up in any way you look at them, and certainly not from a business perspective, which takes into account support for what they are buying. At least we do here, but we do business, not just gaming with our machines.
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Your definition of similar is different to mine.
 
paulrbeers said:
Whoa, back the truck up. Are you just comparing the way something looks on the outside to how it performs? Holy crap. I guess then the next time I go to a drag strip I can just assume that every car there is going to run the exact same since they all look the same....
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No, I am not, I am comparing what I can do with one and the other, and what I can do with a 2012 "update" is about the same I can do with a 1,1 with upgraded CPU and GPU on most day to day tasks for my business. Of course I don't run medical tests with my machines, but in video edition and graphic design, with an updated GPU, there's very little point for me to buy a new machine compared to the current 1,1s. We would be talking about something different if they had USB3, Thunderbolt, etc.

In fact, I can run ML just fine, other than the fact Apple decided not to support the number of my machine.

That's what I am comparing, friend. So back the truck up as you say, when we buy a machine, at least some of us, look towards making the biggest buck for our bang, or however you want to say it, and those are financial decisions when you think bout making money, I sure hope you do the same thing when you buy equipment for your work.
 
ElderBrE said:
That's what I am comparing, friend. So back the truck up as you say, when we buy a machine, at least some of us, look towards making the biggest buck for our bang, or however you want to say it, and those are financial decisions when you think bout making money, I sure hope you do the same thing when you buy equipment for your work.
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Bang for your buck? Really? How is spending 4000 for a work station your best bang for your buck? Mac Pros are about getting work done as quickly as possible regardless of price. If you really want to talk Bang for your buck, even a base mini will beat the original "quad core" Mac Pro in benchmarks. You could buy a new Base Mini for the next 7 years and have the latest tech for the same price as that Mac Pro. I'll give you longevity, but not Bang for your buck.
 
paulrbeers said:
I figured, because you are new here, that maybe you haven't been involved in internet forums much, so I thought I would help you out. :)

Lastly, there is this thing called a search feature at the top of the page, it will help when you have questions about what others are doing:

1. How to upgrade from 1,1 to 2,1: Look about a dozen threads down form this one and it is right there! There's a simple tool to do it. (since again you are new here, here's a direct link: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1392341/ )
2. I've also not stated I've upgraded to Mt. Lion. I probably will, but there's a thread for that as well (again about a dozen or so down from this one). (again here's a link for the new guys/gals: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1365450/ )
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I feel the age gap here, so I am not going to oblige your ear-stretching skills. :)

Thanks a lot for ur help, I will follow on your footsteps and see what will unfold from the provided links. Sorry for the "u" and "puter", it's nothing un-intelligent, thrown here just for the sake of speed; rest assured, no "like" "I mean" "u know", "lol" I hate these things as much as u do, but I digress...

So, just so you know, although I seem to be new here, I have actually been checking macrumors for years; the thing is, I never wrote anything as I never felt I had to. The reason being that I was very much satisfied with my mac 1,1 "puter" . Only now, frustrated with what Apple had in mind for us 1,1 owners, that I decided to chip in with my 2 cent$.

If we aren't given the possibility to upgrade to ML, we will have to settle for ever with a mediocre and buggy OS, Lion, (sorry for the Lions), which in my opinion, is Apple's best match to Microsoft's awful Vista.

I also sense that there are people here on this website who are Appel's implants/agents, who drum up ad "noiseum" for apple's products, and who are ready to fight to death for Apple. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's the truth, and it's sad.
 
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SilverTard said:
It is happening and I will see to it personally.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1411502/

I am pissed.
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Thanks a lot, I will join the law suit. I am even ready to stand up before a jury and spill out my frustration. Please keep us posted. The Newton laws of gravitation state that, at some point, all apples will fall.

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ElderBrE said:
No, I am not, I am comparing what I can do with one and the other, and what I can do with a 2012 "update" is about the same I can do with a 1,1 with upgraded CPU and GPU on most day to day tasks for my business. Of course I don't run medical tests with my machines, but in video edition and graphic design, with an updated GPU, there's very little point for me to buy a new machine compared to the current 1,1s. We would be talking about something different if they had USB3, Thunderbolt, etc.

In fact, I can run ML just fine, other than the fact Apple decided not to support the number of my machine.

That's what I am comparing, friend. So back the truck up as you say, when we buy a machine, at least some of us, look towards making the biggest buck for our bang, or however you want to say it, and those are financial decisions when you think bout making money, I sure hope you do the same thing when you buy equipment for your work.
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I couldn't agree more. You stole the argument from my fingez. I dont buy a Pro machine so that I can brag about how fast it is, or take it to drag strips or speed contests. I leave that to apple engineers and geeks....

Most of us here have a MacPro machine hoping that it will last a substantial amount of time (10 years at least) and what we do is simple, office work, video photo editing, basic math, surfing, watch movies, some gaming here and there, nothing einsteinian or NASAesque.

I will be pissed if Office or FinalCutPro update to higher versions that are only compatible with ML. Very very very pissed.

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paulrbeers said:
Bang for your buck? Really? How is spending 4000 for a work station your best bang for your buck? Mac Pros are about getting work done as quickly as possible regardless of price. If you really want to talk Bang for your buck, even a base mini will beat the original "quad core" Mac Pro in benchmarks. You could buy a new Base Mini for the next 7 years and have the latest tech for the same price as that Mac Pro. I'll give you longevity, but not Bang for your buck.
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here is where you are wrong again and again, with all due respect. No mini or imac will never last more than 3 years. Never. They are cheap and ugly. Minis are the worst apple product ever ever.

If I want a machine, cheap machine that will last 2-3 years, I will buy a mini mac or imac yeah. But I want a machine that will last longer way longer, and that is why I spilled $$$3000. So far so good, 6 years of love affair and satisfaction, until the ML hit me in the head. For me personally, just the mere fact that Apple tells me your 6 yo machine is obsolete, is an insult, a big insult, I almsot want to shoot myself in the head (joking), what a humiliation...

Customers should educate these manufacturers that they need to respect them. And that is what I hope any law suit against the rotten apple will do.
 
amoulay said:
Thanks a lot, I will join the law suit. I am even ready to stand up before a jury and spill out my frustration. Please keep us posted. The Newton laws of gravitation state that, at some point, all apples will fall.

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I couldn't agree more. You stole the argument from my fingez. I dont buy a Pro machine so that I can brag about how fast it is, or take it to drag strips or speed contests. I leave that to apple engineers and geeks....

Most of us here have a MacPro machine hoping that it will last a substantial amount of time (10 years at least) and what we do is simple, office work, video photo editing, basic math, surfing, watch movies, some gaming here and there, nothing einsteinian or NASAesque.

I will be pissed if Office or FinalCutPro update to higher versions that are only compatible with ML. Very very very pissed.

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here is where you are wrong again and again, with all due respect. No mini or imac will never last more than 3 years. Never. They are cheap and ugly. Minis are the worst apple product ever ever.

If I want a machine, cheap machine that will last 2-3 years, I will buy a mini mac or imac yeah. But I want a machine that will last longer way longer, and that is why I spilled $$$3000. So far so good, 6 years of love affair and satisfaction, until the ML hit me in the head. For me personally, just the mere fact that Apple tells me your 6 yo machine is obsolete, is an insult, a big insult, I almsot want to shoot myself in the head (joking), what a humiliation...

Customers should educate these manufacturers that they need to respect them. And that is what I hope any law suit against the rotten apple will do.
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How about my 7yo quad..10.5 is my last..

These machines are simply not fast anymore a Sandy Bridge Celeron is within 500 points of a 2.66 quad, can take 32GB of RAM and any modern video card. An i5 2500 is within 500ish points of a pair of 5360's. My i7 Hackintosh smoked any MP with a single processor and all dual processor MP 2008 or older.

For those doing office productivity and photo edits an iMac and mac mini will more than do any of those things and do it quieter with less power consumption.
 
amoulay said:
here is where you are wrong again and again, with all due respect. No mini or imac will never last more than 3 years. Never. They are cheap and ugly. Minis are the worst apple product ever ever.
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Strange. My mini is 4 years old and working fine. My previous iMac (17" 800Mhz G4) worked flawlessly for 6 years. I gave it to a friend as he wanted to experiment with a Mac, so I don't know if it's still working. Remember: facts are your friends.

Cheap and ugly are not necessarily related to functionality. IMO, the Mac Pro isn't a beautiful machine on the outside. Then again, I only see computers as a function, not an art form.
 
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belvdr said:
Strange. My mini is 4 years old and working fine. My previous iMac (17" 800Mhz G4) worked flawlessly for 6 years. I gave it to a friend as he wanted to experiment with a Mac, so I don't know if it's still working. Remember: facts are your friends.

Cheap and ugly are not necessarily related to functionality. IMO, the Mac Pro isn't a beautiful machine on the outside. Then again, I only see computers as a function, not an art form.
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why did u give it to ur friend then? because you couldn't keep up with the updates right?

here is what I think: When you spend lotta $$$ money, you might want to get something, not only functional, but also pretty and smooth to the eyes. Will you spend tons of $$$ to marry an ugly wife or a ugly husband?? Believe it or not, Apple spends lotta lotta $$$ for design.... well they got it very very wrong in my opinion with minis and imacs and many other machines. MacPros, however big and gigantic they seem to be, are well designed.
 
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amoulay said:
Well, when you spend lotta $$$ money, you might want to get something, not only functional, but also pretty and smooth to the eyes. Will you spend tons of $$$ to marry an ugly wife or a ugly husband?? Believe it or not, Apple spends lotta lotta $$$ for design.... well they got it very very wrong in my opinion with minis and imacs and many other machines. MacPros, however big and gigantic they seem to be, are well designed.
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Well-designed they may be, but it still does not make it fact that a Mini or iMac won't last past 3 years.

Again, facts are your friends and opinions are not always based on facts, which is clear in this case. Be informed and stop stating things as fact when you have no information about the matter.

EDIT: Obviously, you cannot (or refuse to) read. I will quote myself:

belvdr said:
...I gave it to a friend as he wanted to experiment with a Mac...
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At the time, it was the only computer I owned personally and I never used it, except for playing music. It had nothing to do with updates.
 
amoulay said:
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here is where you are wrong again and again, with all due respect. No mini or imac will never last more than 3 years. Never. They are cheap and ugly. Minis are the worst apple product ever ever.

If I want a machine, cheap machine that will last 2-3 years, I will buy a mini mac or imac yeah. But I want a machine that will last longer way longer, and that is why I spilled $$$3000. So far so good, 6 years of love affair and satisfaction, until the ML hit me in the head. For me personally, just the mere fact that Apple tells me your 6 yo machine is obsolete, is an insult, a big insult, I almsot want to shoot myself in the head (joking), what a humiliation...

Customers should educate these manufacturers that they need to respect them. And that is what I hope any law suit against the rotten apple will do.
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The point of my post was that you could buy 7 base minis and upgrade each year and have the newest tech.... I wasn't saying they would last more than 3 years. But, to contradict your post I have 2 - 2006 Mac Mini's in my house right now that run 24/7. So yeah, a Mac Mini can run more than 3 years.

Just to make my point that I did say you could buy one for the next 7 years and even stated that a Mac Pro beats them in longevity (although my 2006's would beg to differ):

paulrbeers said:
You could buy a new Base Mini for the next 7 years and have the latest tech for the same price as that Mac Pro. I'll give you longevity, but not Bang for your buck.
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This is bull$$ ... today i wanted to buy the lastest Mountain Lion from the App Store and i can't!
Why apple?
regarding of all the complains on the internet We have the best computer created (mac pro 1,1) and even apple hates it! and it's logical why... if we buy a new mac pro every 7 years... apple will be gone!
Now i have to follow tutorials and try to hack my way into using the latest apple operating system, or... sell my mac and buy a PC and start using Hackintosh or how the hell they call it... it's not cool, i already upgraded to 32 gb of ram and a Gigabyte HD 4890 video card... so the hardware architecture is more than enough to run the Mountain Lion, what lacks... is the motivation!
We start to feel the absence of the creator of the Apple...

I miss you Steve!

PS: sorry for my bad english but it's not my primary language or even learned in school...
 
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Yep...I understand the need to phase things out over time, but in this regard Steve would have said its bull$.
 
macpro2000 said:
Wirelessly posted

Yep...I understand the need to phase things out over time, but in this regard Steve would have said its bull$.
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No he would not have. Steve had a history of whacking stuff after very short periods of time.
 
hackertc said:
This is bull$$ ... today i wanted to buy the lastest Mountain Lion from the App Store and i can't!
Why apple?
regarding of all the complains on the internet We have the best computer created (mac pro 1,1) and even apple hates it! and it's logical why... if we buy a new mac pro every 7 years... apple will be gone!
Now i have to follow tutorials and try to hack my way into using the latest apple operating system, or... sell my mac and buy a PC and start using Hackintosh or how the hell they call it... it's not cool, i already upgraded to 32 gb of ram and a Gigabyte HD 4890 video card... so the hardware architecture is more than enough to run the Mountain Lion, what lacks... is the motivation!
We start to feel the absence of the creator of the Apple...

I miss you Steve!

PS: sorry for my bad english but it's not my primary language or even learned in school...
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Welcome to the club of the leftovers and the henpecked.

It's despicable that a wonderful machine that has at least another 4 years in its heart, is considered obsolete by the greedy Apple. Their decision to to support us is only a business tactic so that we rush to the stores and buy a new mac. NO WAY. I for one, I will never ever ever ever buy another mac product again, ever. I have a 10 year old PC that still works and is supported by Microsoft on a daily basis. Bad it can't run a hackintosh, so I will get a new DELL PC very soon and install a hacked OSX ML on it, and STICK it UP the a$$ of Apple, big time, until it hurts. Newton gravitational law states that at some point, al apples will fall. Hear that Apple.com, hear that and be prepared, because we will gravitate around you until we bring you down.
 
Rog210 said:
Hey Emma, any further word from Apple? I sent Tim Cook a similar email and didn't even get a reply.
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Pretty sure a lot of us did. I highly doubt we will be getting 64bit efi.
No ML for us 1,1 Mac pro peeps.
No reasonable upgrade path for the mac pro.
No up to date imac solution that doesnt feel like apple is bending you over with pricing due to the older tech specs.(though the 2011 imac is still very nice, I have problems paying full price for something that they are about to upgrade)
"NO SOUP FOR YOU! ONE YEAR!"
 
amoulay said:
Welcome to the club of the leftovers and the henpecked.

It's despicable that a wonderful machine that has at least another 4 years in its heart, is considered obsolete by the greedy Apple. Their decision to to support us is only a business tactic so that we rush to the stores and buy a new mac. NO WAY. I for one, I will never ever ever ever buy another mac product again, ever. I have a 10 year old PC that still works and is supported by Microsoft on a daily basis. Bad it can't run a hackintosh, so I will get a new DELL PC very soon and install a hacked OSX ML on it, and STICK it UP the a$$ of Apple, big time, until it hurts. Newton gravitational law states that at some point, al apples will fall. Hear that Apple.com, hear that and be prepared, because we will gravitate around you until we bring you down.
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I really doubt Apple gives a stuff about you or any other older MP users. They just need to sell a few more iPads instead.

Even when (if?) the new MP comes out next year, I don't think I'll be buying one after this though.

There's no point getting mad and shouting. Throwing a hissy fit won't make them take notice. I think Apple's got as big, bloated and unresponsive as the 90's era Microsoft. It's time to move on.
 
ssgbryan said:
No he would not have. Steve had a history of whacking stuff after very short periods of time.
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I guess we'll never know.

I do think this is a little different. We're close to a time where the average computer is just fast enough for most things. New OS requirements used to mean a new computer just to cope with the extra demands of the OS.

Now we're at a place where my 6 year old MP could run the newest OS with no problem in terms of hardware. Sure, the GFX card needs an upgrade but after that, my machine can handle everything I throw at it. I use it primarily for music and it's still a fast machine. Under bootcamp and Win 7 I can play Skyrim maxxed out with a 6870 card in there. The machine is still relevant.

That Apple has chosen to abandon it is a tough lesson in planned obsolescence. They could've maintained a 32 bit kernel like the early DP releases of ML. They could've released a version that will only work with an updated GFX card. They could've taken the time to actually explain their reasoning to us MP owners.

They did none of these things. Time to move on.

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adream said:
sadly moving on involves using windoze, or linux or coughing up £3500 for a new mac pro, none of which makes me particularly cheery :)

https://www.facebook.com/AppleBringMountainLionSupportToEarlyMacPros
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Yeah, it's a PITA.

I can't use Linux because there's little in the way of good audio software and I need Cubase compatibility. Win 8 looks like a trainwreck so Win 7 it is.
 
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