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Michael.S

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So here's the thing:

I did some web surfing yesterday on this recently acquired 17" MBP 4.1 2008 (PreUnibody) as I wanted to check the performance of the new battery I bought a while ago.

I adjusted the keyboard backlight to check if it was working - which it did.

After the battery went out of power and the machine went to safe mode, I put it on the charger over night.

Today, after trying the keyboard backlight again, the backlight didnt work anymore.

Now, the key still work, as I see the keyboard function being shown on the display.

Does someone know that behavior?
 

Michael.S

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Ok, I resetted the NVRAM with no change.

How do I reset the SMC and how to locate the keyboard backlight cable?
 

Michael.S

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I would first try resetting the NVRAM and SMC, to see if it is a glitch or not, otherwise I would take it apart and try unplugging the keyboard backlight cable and plugging it back in to see if that helps.
I figured out now how to reset the SMC.
However, after started to do it, the Mac starts up.

I was under the assumption that that does not happen until I release all 4 buttons and press the power button again.

Can someone help me out?
 

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How do I reset the SMC
I was under the assumption that that does not happen until I release all 4 buttons and press the power button again.
You are trying the SMC reset method used on MacBook's that do not have removable batteries, so 2009 and newer.
The 2008 and earlier machines use this method:

- Disconnect the MagSafe cord
- Remove the battery
- Hold the power button for 5 seconds
- Put the battery back in

how to locate the keyboard backlight cable?
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBoo...1212+A1229+and+A1261+Keyboard+Replacement/317

Go up to Step 13 and then reassemble it. Do not attempt this without the proper size screwdrivers, as these tiny screws are extremely easy to strip.
 

Michael.S

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You are trying the SMC reset method used on MacBook's that do not have removable batteries, so 2009 and newer.
The 2008 and earlier machines use this method:

- Disconnect the MagSafe cord
- Remove the battery
- Hold the power button for 5 seconds
- Put the battery back in
Stupid question:

Do I remove the battery while the Mac is still on.
Or do I shut it down first.

Because I just tried it twice with shutting it down first and that showed no effect.
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBoo...1212+A1229+and+A1261+Keyboard+Replacement/317

Go up to Step 13 and then reassemble it. Do not attempt this without the proper size screwdrivers, as these tiny screws are extremely easy to strip.
Do I really have to do that?
I mean, after removing the battery I will get to the translucent plastic sheath that covers the keyboard connector already.
So what is the point of removing the keyboard first?
 

Michael.S

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Update on this topic:

Keyboard backlight works again.

Dont know how that happened.
Did NVRAM + SMC Reset.
Then left it alone for 1 day.
Maybe it is temparature related.

We will see.
 
So here's the thing:

I did some web surfing yesterday on this recently acquired 17" MBP 4.1 2008 (PreUnibody) as I wanted to check the performance of the new battery I bought a while ago.

I adjusted the keyboard backlight to check if it was working - which it did.

After the battery went out of power and the machine went to safe mode, I put it on the charger over night.

Today, after trying the keyboard backlight again, the backlight didnt work anymore.

Now, the key still work, as I see the keyboard function being shown on the display.

Does someone know that behavior?

I’m not sure which version of OS X/macOS you’re using. The earlier versions to run on the early 2008 MBPs behave differently from the later, unibody models, in that if the ambient light sensors (the early 2008 models have at least two, located beneath the speaker grilles) pick up too much ambient light, they will trigger the system to deactivate the back-lit keyboard entirely.

On those earlier versions (including, but not limited to Leopard and Snow Leopard, and possibly later versions), there is a utility you can use to override that built-in, well, override, letting you select the back-lighting level of your choice (and when to turn it off after no use), irrespective of ambient lighting levels. That utility is called Lab Tick 0.9.4 (scroll down that page to grab the DMG installer).

Lab Tick was designed originally for the aluminium PowerBook G4s with back-lighting (as they behave the same way with respect to keyboard back-lighting being shut off altogether in a brightly-lit room as do the pre-unibody MBPs). I use this utility on my early 2008 MBP when running Snow Leopard; with the dosdude1-patched High Sierra on the same system, the utility is no longer needed as Apple, sometime along the way, between Snow Leopard and High Sierra, fixed that ambient light sensor/keyboard backlighting quirk by making pre-unibody MacBook Pros behave the same way as subsequent MacBook Pro generations.

My guess is a possible reason the keyboard back-lighting stopped working for you was because you were in a fairly bright room (not sure what the cut-off was, but I’m guessing a room in which the system records over, say, 50 lx, or maybe even 100 lx as that shut-off trigger) when it was not working, while initially the room you were in, when back-lighting worked, was somewhat darker. If you returned to it, say, in the evening, after sunset, and there wasn’t a light from above shining down directly on your keyboard/speakers, you would probably find the backlighting would work fine.

Before you install Lab Tick (which I do recommend wholeheartedly), try this experiment:

1) set keyboard backlight brightness to maximum, so that the keys are most brightly lit.

2) Then, take your MBP into a bright room, such as a sunlit room. Expect that the keyboard backight will read as “diasbled” when you try using the F5/F6 shortcut keys to change brightness.

3) Next, whilst still in the bright/sunny room, use your hands to completely cover both speaker grilles at the same time.

If my hunch is correct, by using your thumb (on either hand) to press any key on the keyboard, this should make the keyboard back-lighting illuminate to the max brightness level you set originally in the dark(er) room.

After doing this experiment, you can then install Lab Tick. :)

Let us know how it goes.
 

Michael.S

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I’m not sure which version of OS X/macOS you’re using. The earlier versions to run on the early 2008 MBPs behave differently from the later, unibody models, in that if the ambient light sensors (the early 2008 models have at least two, located beneath the speaker grilles) pick up too much ambient light, they will trigger the system to deactivate the back-lit keyboard entirely.

On those earlier versions (including, but not limited to Leopard and Snow Leopard, and possibly later versions), there is a utility you can use to override that built-in, well, override, letting you select the back-lighting level of your choice (and when to turn it off after no use), irrespective of ambient lighting levels. That utility is called Lab Tick 0.9.4 (scroll down that page to grab the DMG installer).

Lab Tick was designed originally for the aluminium PowerBook G4s with back-lighting (as they behave the same way with respect to keyboard back-lighting being shut off altogether in a brightly-lit room as do the pre-unibody MBPs). I use this utility on my early 2008 MBP when running Snow Leopard; with the dosdude1-patched High Sierra on the same system, the utility is no longer needed as Apple, sometime along the way, between Snow Leopard and High Sierra, fixed that ambient light sensor/keyboard backlighting quirk by making pre-unibody MacBook Pros behave the same way as subsequent MacBook Pro generations.

My guess is a possible reason the keyboard back-lighting stopped working for you was because you were in a fairly bright room (not sure what the cut-off was, but I’m guessing a room in which the system records over, say, 50 lx, or maybe even 100 lx as that shut-off trigger) when it was not working, while initially the room you were in, when back-lighting worked, was somewhat darker. If you returned to it, say, in the evening, after sunset, and there wasn’t a light from above shining down directly on your keyboard/speakers, you would probably find the backlighting would work fine.

Before you install Lab Tick (which I do recommend wholeheartedly), try this experiment:

1) set keyboard backlight brightness to maximum, so that the keys are most brightly lit.

2) Then, take your MBP into a bright room, such as a sunlit room. Expect that the keyboard backight will read as “diasbled” when you try using the F5/F6 shortcut keys to change brightness.

3) Next, whilst still in the bright/sunny room, use your hands to completely cover both speaker grilles at the same time.

If my hunch is correct, by using your thumb (on either hand) to press any key on the keyboard, this should make the keyboard back-lighting illuminate to the max brightness level you set originally in the dark(er) room.

After doing this experiment, you can then install Lab Tick. :)

Let us know how it goes.
Yes, you are absolutely right.
That is exactly like that.

I tried it out and it all like you wrote here.

Now, I am not going to do anything.
Since I am planning to install an SSD into that MBP next week, I will probably go with Mojave which fixed that issue and that screen brightness will then work everytime.

I also want to install linux on a parallel partition.

Any recommendation which distro to go with?

Want one that looks fancy, but is light, and fast enough on that 6GB 2.5 GHz Core2Duo, if possible.
 
Yes, you are absolutely right.
That is exactly like that.

I tried it out and it all like you wrote here.

Glad to learn this was indeed the case!

If you’re able to, you’ll want to go back to your original post and click the “WikiTools” pop-down to “disable WikiPost”, as this question does not appear to be a community-collaborative wikipost. Cheers. :)

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