How come none of these cool hackers were able to get MacOS installed on a M1 iPad Pro yet?
Wouldn’t it be easy now that it’s the same CPU architecture?
Wouldn’t it be easy now that it’s the same CPU architecture?
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iPad Pro No MacOS on M1 iPad Pro attempts?
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If it is easy why don't you give it a shot and report back?
Careful not to estimate the difficulty of a task whose scope you're unfamiliar with.
Careful not to estimate the difficulty of a task whose scope you're unfamiliar with.
I didn’t say it’s easy. I assumed it’s now much easier.
Also I’m no hacker/ programmer so alas I can’t do it
im honestly also surprised. I thought this would be a quick jailbreak and install OS. The complexity is beyond my scope, but im sure someone out there is trying.
Well, it’s a lot more to it. It’s a reason why Apple is claimed a walled garden and why companies like Epic is taking them to court due to how tight they keep their platform.I didn’t say it’s easy. I assumed it’s now much easier.
Also I’m no hacker/ programmer so alas I can’t do it
Even jailbreaking has seen a huge decline since Apple has done incredibly well making sure hacking methods are closed. The only way macOS will be added to iPadOS is if Apple choosing to, until then… you can always use VNC to access macOS.
I did not mean MacOS added to iPadOS but added as a dual boot option to the iPad Pro’s via some jailbreak.
As I recall.. that’s never been possible. I know your thinking.. ”hey, they both share an M1 chip meaning macOS can be ported over to an M1 iPP." But I think the M1 chip is to make it easier for developers to build apps for both macOS and iPadOS not to merge operating systems.
I didn’t say it’s easy. I assumed it’s now much easier.
Also I’m no hacker/ programmer so alas I can’t do it
Yeah, that was my point
Just because it looks easier from the outside doesn’t mean that is the case. As there are a lot of technical details that can increase the complexity. Tech is a lot like an iceberg. What you see above the surface is only a tiny fraction of what is underneath. So you can’t judge the size of an iceberg purely from what you see up top. Neither can you with tech.
Or said another way, it is like asking “Why can’t I just put BMW iDrive in my Toyota Camry? They are both cars and have screens”…
I've been out of the loop for a while and am by no means an expert...but...
In order to do what you are suggesting requires a special kind of expolit. There would need to be a bootrom exploit, or maybe ever so slightly higher up the chain if you are lucky, that specifically works on the M1 processor.
Basically, you need an exploit that allows you to gain access to the absolute lowest levels of the boot process. You can't install or dual boot to another OS with your 'standard' jailbreak, these exploit iOS (software level) rather than at the hardware level which would be needed to boot an entire OS.
These type of exploits are incredibly rare, I think in terms of bootrom exploits there have only been two (publically well used/released). iPhone X / A11 is the current latest CPU that has a bootrom exploit.
And this is just to get yourself into a postion to start what it is you want to do, this isn't even going down the route of all the technical pieces that would be involved in order get MacOS running. Yes some of it may be quicker due to similarity in chip designs but theres still a mountain of work required before you even get to MacOS.
At best in the short term, you might be able to jailbreak and run MacOS ontop of iOS but this isn't what you are asking for. Running MacOS ontop of iOS would naturally take a performance hit too.
I fully expect that someday we will see what you are asking for, but its going to be a long way into the future. These types of exploits are incredibly hard to find - and in some cases aren't even things you can go hunting for anymore as the usual holes have long since been patched.
There is also the fact that what you are asking for would essentially compromise the security of all iPad pros and Macs released in the last year or so - and it wouldn't be patchable by some software update. This would obviously be pretty bad for Apple if nothing else ? . It's also highly unlikely to be released into the wild given the monetary value of such a thing as well
In order to do what you are suggesting requires a special kind of expolit. There would need to be a bootrom exploit, or maybe ever so slightly higher up the chain if you are lucky, that specifically works on the M1 processor.
Basically, you need an exploit that allows you to gain access to the absolute lowest levels of the boot process. You can't install or dual boot to another OS with your 'standard' jailbreak, these exploit iOS (software level) rather than at the hardware level which would be needed to boot an entire OS.
These type of exploits are incredibly rare, I think in terms of bootrom exploits there have only been two (publically well used/released). iPhone X / A11 is the current latest CPU that has a bootrom exploit.
And this is just to get yourself into a postion to start what it is you want to do, this isn't even going down the route of all the technical pieces that would be involved in order get MacOS running. Yes some of it may be quicker due to similarity in chip designs but theres still a mountain of work required before you even get to MacOS.
At best in the short term, you might be able to jailbreak and run MacOS ontop of iOS but this isn't what you are asking for. Running MacOS ontop of iOS would naturally take a performance hit too.
I fully expect that someday we will see what you are asking for, but its going to be a long way into the future. These types of exploits are incredibly hard to find - and in some cases aren't even things you can go hunting for anymore as the usual holes have long since been patched.
There is also the fact that what you are asking for would essentially compromise the security of all iPad pros and Macs released in the last year or so - and it wouldn't be patchable by some software update. This would obviously be pretty bad for Apple if nothing else ? . It's also highly unlikely to be released into the wild given the monetary value of such a thing as well
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No. It wouldn't.
Jailbreaking is at a much higher lever than replacing the entire kernel.
The source to Big Sur etc. is 100% closed so someone would have to recreating it and remove every last security check the Mac based OS does to ensure its running on a valid platform.
It's hard enough these days for Hackingtosh to get it right with the newer operating systems and they have low level access to the hosting device.
Imagine trying to do that where you only have partial access to an Intel box. And where no-one has yet done this before.
If Apple themselves wanted to do it, could they do it easily and quickly?I've been out of the loop for a while and am by no means an expert...but...
In order to do what you are suggesting requires a special kind of expolit. There would need to be a bootrom exploit, or maybe ever so slightly higher up the chain if you are lucky, that specifically works on the M1 processor.
Basically, you need an exploit that allows you to gain access to the absolute lowest levels of the boot process. You can't install or dual boot to another OS with your 'standard' jailbreak, these exploit iOS (software level) rather than at the hardware level which would be needed to boot an entire OS.
These type of exploits are incredibly rare, I think in terms of bootrom exploits there have only been two (publically well used/released). iPhone X / A11 is the current latest CPU that has a bootrom exploit.
And this is just to get yourself into a postion to start what it is you want to do, this isn't even going down the route of all the technical pieces that would be involved in order get MacOS running. Yes some of it may be quicker due to similarity in chip designs but theres still a mountain of work required before you even get to MacOS.
At best in the short term, you might be able to jailbreak and run MacOS ontop of iOS but this isn't what you are asking for. Running MacOS ontop of iOS would naturally take a performance hit too.
I fully expect that someday we will see what you are asking for, but its going to be a long way into the future. These types of exploits are incredibly hard to find - and in some cases aren't even things you can go hunting for anymore as the usual holes have long since been patched.
There is also the fact that what you are asking for would essentially compromise the security of all iPad pros and Macs released in the last year or so - and it wouldn't be patchable by some software update. This would obviously be pretty bad for Apple if nothing else ? . It's also highly unlikely to be released into the wild given the monetary value of such a thing as well
The only one preventing MacOS from running on M1 and even A12X/Z iPads is Apple themselves (DTK Mac mini had A12Z + 16GB RAM).
Copy that. Thanks. Sure would be interesting of they would do that and let us have our choice.
Running macOS - meaning the OS itself - on an iPad isn’t ever going to happen, not until they’re merged down the road. A more reasonable ask is running macOS apps on the iPad. That’s what we really want, right? It should be entirely possible since iPadOS is a fork of macOS. The opposite is already possible, so I imagine it’s a trivial matter to make it work.
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Possible? Yes. Trivial? Not necessarily. And it leads to a separate configuration fork that needs to be tested and maintained over time. The question is whether the ROI is adequate - it always comes down to money and available development resources.
If it were running iPadOS and MacOS Apps what you're basically talking about at that point is userland tools and locked down access to system files, beyond that it would be the same kernel, same core stack, and implementing the same core APIs. It would basically be "MacOS: locked down edition" at that point
Snark all you want but I’d bet you a quarter Apple has had it running in a lab for years already.
They did it with Marklar for Intel systems, so I definitely wouldn’t put it past them for iPads.
If you want to run MAC OS on an iPad, you can just use Luna Display. For example, my Mac Mini, in my home office, has the Luna widget plugged in to a USB port. I can sit in my recliner in another room and use the iPad touch screen to execute the transactions on the Mini. Uses my home WiFi. True, it’s not the same as what many would like, but to me there’s no difference. It’s also the only way to use Mac OS with a touch screen that I know of, without buying more expensive equipment. Just a thought.
I'm a retired s/w & h/w engineer with 40+ years in the business and I would shudder whenever I heard the words "trivial" or "easy" uttered, generally by management.
Are you sure the file system is fundamentally different? Is it not APFS in both cases? Granted, the files app and Finder work slightly different and iPadOS is app centered compared to MacOS document centered.
The 12.9 inch iPad Pro with the keyboard trackpad already feels like a Mac when using it, other than it feeling very top heavy in your lap. I'm guessing at the moment if Apple were to try and put the Mac on the iPad that it would be a subpar Mac experience, because the processing power isn't quite enough. iPad Pro M1 is only just recently capable of running multiple apps on the screen at the same time, so running the essential Mac apps like the Adobe suite will be too much.
In a few years the processing power will be there to do it. But why would Apple want Mac running on an iPad at all? I think Apple would rather Adobe make full fat versions of their apps for iPad itself. Over time iPad will start replicating the Mac in terms of apps and features, but Apple will keep the Mac around partly because it was Steve Jobs' baby and also because Mac will remain a tool that will do whatever we want it to, whereas iPad will be a pure walled garden experience where nothing can possiblie go wrong.
In a few years the processing power will be there to do it. But why would Apple want Mac running on an iPad at all? I think Apple would rather Adobe make full fat versions of their apps for iPad itself. Over time iPad will start replicating the Mac in terms of apps and features, but Apple will keep the Mac around partly because it was Steve Jobs' baby and also because Mac will remain a tool that will do whatever we want it to, whereas iPad will be a pure walled garden experience where nothing can possiblie go wrong.