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snugja

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I had a crazy idea, but I’m wondering if Apple intends to make the Tower Mac Pro upgradable somehow. Hear me out I wonder if there would be some sort of core module that could be a designer built or does the architecture of the current NMP have specific limitations as far as making it upgradable.

It seems odd to me that Apple would make a product meant for pros and stress modularity without some path to conversion from Intel to Apple Silicon. However, Apple has not been known in the past for having high upgrade ability. It seems that it would be a nice gesture, however.
 

bsbeamer

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It seems that it would be a nice gesture, however.

Apple does not give two s**ts about a nice gesture for people who have already purchased their products. Publicly teasing the AS Mac Pro when Mac Studio was announced was the only "thank you" you're ever going to receive.

There is an argument that Afterburner is already baked into AS, so those modules are useless. GPUs are already baked into AS and there is still no support for eGPU on any of the AS machines, so those MPX GPU modules are likely useless.

What exactly do you want to "salvage" here with some AS upgrade connection or path? A few PCIe slots?

Someone offered a theory that the MP7,1 tower could be upgraded or converted to act as a Thunderbolt PCIe expansion box through T2 or some kind of firmware change. Doubtful it will ever happen.
 

jvlfilms

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I honestly can't imagine a scenario in which these 7,1 are usable in coexistence with Apple silicon.

Fortunately, I believe Apple will continue to support these machines for at least 3-4 years AFTER the last Intel Mac is sold. There is also a good chance (in my opinion) they'll keep this chassis around in conjunction with the M1 UltraSonic Mac Pro for users who require the PCIe compatibility and expandability.
 

snugja

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Thanks all! good points. I do think the studio would do more than my current setup. The only thing is I have a few special PCIE use cases for cards, but I suppose a breakout box would be enough. Really interesting stuff.

I'm not mad about my Mac Pro. might trade in tho. The studio is a BEAST and the next Mac Pro will be even more so, but d*mn the price will reflect it!
 

snugja

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A few K is A LOT to pay for just having a PCIE card inside your enclosure...
 

bsbeamer

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The decision really will come down to you buying into the Apple Silicon future or not. Then it's lining up your upgrade cycles with product release cycles in some capacity.

The majority of people could probably sit on their Intel-based machines from 2017+ for another few years without a dire "NEED" to upgrade in the next 6 months. Personally would wait to see what AS Mac Pro brings and then get a clearer roadmap of where your needs fit into the product pipeline and budget. If you're on an MP4,1/MP5,1 or know you'll have a limited budget, the time to seriously evaluate the Studio lineup is now.

You can add Thunderbolt PCIe expansion boxes for relatively cheap and those can (theoretically) be moved from machine to machine and probably continue to serve at least one upgrade cycle, if not more. Most existing eGPU boxes can be repurposed to drive nearly any PCIe card via TB. Costs here are $250-$1000 depending on total slots and power needs, maybe closer to $2K if you really need to drive 6 PCIe cards.

Storage solutions continue to evolve and there are many solutions to fit nearly every need and price level. You can get a 4xNVMe enclosure running directly over TB for as low as $250 if you shop ($350-400 from more reputable brands) and don't want to use a PCIe at all.

What is left that you personally need PCIe slots for with an AS machine? That is the decision most waiting on AS Mac Pro already have their own answers for. Driving legacy products on a future machine is not how I'd make my decision and think it will hold many back.

If you're already pushing the limits as a developer, you really need to be on AS already in some capacity and even the entry-level Studio (with a few smaller BTO upgrades) looks like that price/performance that will slot in nicely for many.
 

MisterAndrew

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It looks like this thread should probably go in the Studio forum. The Studio is not a professional/business machine. It's a consumer product, and along with the matching display, is a replacement for the 27" iMac.
 
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