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SuperPuppet

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For 15 years I owned a photography studio. Started out shooting film, Hasselblads, Nikon… printed B&W in my darkroom etc.
2001 I went digital, was one of the early adopters…. once again… all the right gear, printed everything on a large format Epson printer.
Now… I just chill. Done working but I still like the tech, which brings me to the point of the post.
I used an Apple G5 tower for photo editing and my final computer for work was n 2011 MacBook Pro… So, for the heck of it, cost is no issue, I just bought the base M3 Max MBP. So the question is, what would the quantifiable difference be between my old and current MBP?
Clearly the old Intel machine is pathetic by comparison. But if you were putting that into numbers, what would that look like?
My first post here BTW….
 
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BeatCrazy

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I'm not a photo editor, but considering the max resolution (external monitor) for your 2011 MacBook Pro is 2560x1600 and the new MacBook supports twice that, I assume that's useful for editors. Not to mention the better color accuracy for the internal screen of the new model.
 

SuperPuppet

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I'm not a photo editor, but considering the max resolution (external monitor) for your 2011 MacBook Pro is 2560x1600 and the new MacBook supports twice that, I assume that's useful for editors. Not to mention the better color accuracy for the internal screen of the new model.
Yea the new screen is crazy good. I’m hooking it up to the new 27inch Studio display. Nice combo that would have been nice back in the studio days.
 

SuperPuppet

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I don't know about numbers but...

1) Runs cooler and can be used on the lap
2) Better security
3) Magnatudes faster than your old 2011 MBP
4) Better display
5) Better speakers
6) MagSafe cable
7) Nice Space Black finish
8) Better app support
9) Better integration within the Apple ecosystem versus 2011
Yea, you’d expect a massive advance in tech over 12 years!
 

apostolosdt

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Have you gone completely digital? If yes, the more top of the line machine, the better—no doubt about that. With current cameras, you need to handle about 140 MB images; buy as much RAM as possible, to start with.

However, if you’ve also remained a bit analog as well, why don’t you look for an Imacon? Pricey but priceless!
 

SuperPuppet

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Have you gone completely digital? If yes, the more top of the line machine, the better—no doubt about that. With current cameras, you need to handle about 140 MB images; buy as much RAM as possible, to start with.

However, if you’ve also remained a bit analog as well, why don’t you look for an Imacon? Pricey but priceless!
I went 💯% digital in 2002. I have 36gb of ram in the M3 Max. Should fly I reckon.
 

apostolosdt

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Well, if you run Adobe’s photo stuff, you know how much hungry, resource-wise, PS and LR are getting. I always take 64GB as the minimum, but that’s on my Intel Mac Pros. New Apple Macs run OK even on 16GB RAM. I also have a base Mini M1 and it shows.

By the way, what’s your camera system, if you don’t mind.
 
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SuperPuppet

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Well, if you run Adobe’s photo stuff, you know how much hungry, resource-wise, PS and LR are getting. I always take 64GB as the minimum, but that’s on my Intel Mac Pros. New Apple Macs run OK even on 16GB RAM. I also have a base Mini M1 and it shows.

By the way, what’s your camera system, if you don’t mind.
I retired and sold all my gear. The last of it was M series Leicas. So now, having become interested again I’ve just picked up a Sony RX 100v7 for a bit of fun. Some of the work I did back in the day. Now… just a bit of fun.
 

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SuperPuppet

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Well, if you run Adobe’s photo stuff, you know how much hungry, resource-wise, PS and LR are getting. I always take 64GB as the minimum, but that’s on my Intel Mac Pros. New Apple Macs run OK even on 16GB RAM. I also have a base Mini M1 and it shows.

By the way, what’s your camera system, if you don’t mind.
I did a ton of editing in Photoshop as well as editing video in Final Cut Pro on that old 2011 machine, and an even less capable Apple G5 tower before that. It performed pretty well. Rendering took a bit of time but nothing too crazy. Using today’s cameras in a similar work space, nothing I could produce would challenge the M3 Max 36/1 even remotely. The processing power has finally caught up with the power of the software!
 

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For 15 years I owned a photography studio. Started out shooting film, Hasselblads, Nikon… printed B&W in my darkroom etc.
2001 I went digital, was one of the early adopters…. once again… all the right gear, printed everything on a large format Epson printer.
Now… I just chill. Done working but I still like the tech, which brings me to the point of the post.
I used an Apple G5 tower for photo editing and my final computer for work was n 2011 MacBook Pro… So, for the heck of it, cost is no issue, I just bought the base M3 Max MBP. So the question is, what would the quantifiable difference be between my old and current MBP?
Clearly the old Intel machine is pathetic by comparison. But if you were putting that into numbers, what would that look like?
My first post here BTW….

Ah, I remember the G5. I think it was one of Apple’s best designed machines. I remember “the first 64 bit machine”.

The big difference in modern machines is the ability to process heavy information, such as AI effects, nearly instantly. I recall video editing on my 8-core G5, and waiting 30-40 minutes in rendering time. My 2019 Mac Pro does similar renders in a few short minutes. My M2 Max: typically under a minute.

Even with the limited web sites of the early 2000s, you were often waiting a sec or two for pages to load. Modern machines, with modern ram, load pages near instantly.

It’s not a different world but certainly a faster one. Yet, there are many things I miss from the old days, like Apple caring about making great products at reasonable prices. The G5 tower was amazing in that you didn’t need to even shut the computer off to open it and you could hot swap internal hard drives. Just an amazing piece of hardware that had a starting price of $1,999.
 
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MBAir2010

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I don't know about numbers but...

1) Runs cooler and can be used on the lap
2) Better security
3) Magnatudes faster than your old 2011 MBP
4) Better display
5) Better speakers
6) MagSafe cable
7) Nice Space Black finish
8) Better app support
9) Better integration within the Apple ecosystem versus 2011
Just one more thing...

battery life is incredibly longer.

I have been waiting all year to type that!
 
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HawkTheHusky1902

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I don't know about numbers but...

1) Runs cooler and can be used on the lap
2) Better security
3) Magnatudes faster than your old 2011 MBP
4) Better display
5) Better speakers
6) MagSafe cable
7) Nice Space Black finish

8) Better app support
9) Better integration within the Apple ecosystem versus 2011
The 2011 MBPs also had MagSafe...

Space Black is a pass imo, does not look to hold up well long term as well as good old silver does.
 
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SuperPuppet

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Ah, I remember the G5. I think it was one of Apple’s best designed machines. I remember “the first 64 bit machine”.

The big difference in modern machines is the ability to process heavy information, such as AI effects, nearly instantly. I recall video editing on my 8-core G5, and waiting 30-40 minutes in rendering time. My 2019 Mac Pro does similar renders in a few short minutes. My M2 Max: typically under a minute.

Even with the limited web sites of the early 2000s, you were often waiting a sec or two for pages to load. Modern machines, with modern ram, load pages near instantly.

It’s not a different world but certainly a faster one. Yet, there are many things I miss from the old days, like Apple caring about making great products at reasonable prices. The G5 tower was amazing in that you didn’t need to even shut the computer off to open it and you could hot swap internal hard drives. Just an amazing piece of hardware that had a starting price of $1,999.
Yea amazing eh! I still have the G5 as well. Haven’t fired it up but I reckon it may still function.
 

SuperPuppet

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For 15 years I owned a photography studio. Started out shooting film, Hasselblads, Nikon… printed B&W in my darkroom etc.
2001 I went digital, was one of the early adopters…. once again… all the right gear, printed everything on a large format Epson printer.
Now… I just chill. Done working but I still like the tech, which brings me to the point of the post.
I used an Apple G5 tower for photo editing and my final computer for work was n 2011 MacBook Pro… So, for the heck of it, cost is no issue, I just bought the base M3 Max MBP. So the question is, what would the quantifiable difference be between my old and current MBP?
Clearly the old Intel machine is pathetic by comparison. But if you were putting that into numbers, what would that look like?
My first post here BTW….
 

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Chancha

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I still remember working with G5 towers in graphic school, they were quite capable for their times despite being a jet engine... then later on a 2011 MBP 13" was a long time carry machine for when I was working abroad (music related, sometimes photography in recording studio / concerts). And then I also purchased a base M3 Max 16" on day 1.

It is very difficult to quantify since these machines are so far apart in terms of tech. With the G5 when new, Apple was undergoing a transition from Classic OS to OS X UI, without access to Intel hardware yet, at that point in time a G5 tower was seriously a better productivity choice against something like a Windows 98 PC especially for Adobe workflow. I don't even think Lightroom was annouced by Adobe yet, Apple hasn't released Aperture, so photo editing was all about Photoshop, and the PPC Macs + OS were tuned for it.

But with the transition to Intel things changed very quickly. The unibody gen of MBP particularly were so good, the chips are already Intel Core i5/i7 instead of the initial Core (2) Duos, the advent of Thunderbolt, and Mac OS Snow Leopard etc... this essentially moved the photography workflow that was previously only possible on workstation Macs to a laptop. And then there is the famous 17" which was simply exotic at its time (though mine was a 13", as my role was being portable as much as possible).

After that I have been building my own studio / business deploying various Macs for both myself and employees, the dark age of touch bar MBPs and the stagnate of desktop Macs... fast forward to Apple Silicon, the 2021 14" 16" M1 Pro / Max was such a homerun in design that they really didn't need to touch it for a few years, and only put in more power inside which is where we got the M3 Max. This 16" I am typing on is as close to a perfect laptop experience as I have ever had. But you have heard all that anyway. Doing edits in Lightroom Classic never felt so spontaneous as on this laptop, and I have a M1 Max Mac Studio also, I can tell a slight edge in responsiveness on the M3 Max. But seriously all Apple Silicon Macs are ridiculously fast for photography anyway, even a base M1 Air. The Intel Macs right before them felt like a joke in comparison (yes I have first hand experience with the latest 2019 MBP 16" i9)

So to answer your question. If I were to put them in numbers:
Power Mac G5 - say this is a baseline 100%
MBP 2011 - easily 150-200%, but it is a laptop so it was quite a feat at its time
M3 Max 16" - 1000% if not more. In fact it is close to infinite, there is virtually no wait time for LR workflow when culling and doing adjustments.

When you get your 16" you will understand. It is just a joy to work with. Medium format RAWs feel like nothing, and I mainly shoot Nikon D850 (14bit 46MP RAW), it is so smooth I sometimes thought it didn't register my click. The only time I get to wait is during import (preview generation), stitching panoramas and HDR bracket merge, and the very new AI Denoise. But these are supposed to be data crunching or cutting edge tasks so it is fine. I still remember having to manually merge panoramas in Photoshop 7 or something. What took 3+ hours of intensely focused manual labour is now like 30 seconds of coffee sipping.
 
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SuperPuppet

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I still remember working with G5 towers in graphic school, they were quite capable for their times despite being a jet engine... then later on a 2011 MBP 13" was a long time carry machine for when I was working abroad (music related, sometimes photography in recording studio / concerts). And then I also purchased a base M3 Max 16" on day 1.

It is very difficult to quantify since these machines are so far apart in terms of tech. With the G5 when new, Apple was undergoing a transition from Classic OS to OS X UI, without access to Intel hardware yet, at that point in time a G5 tower was seriously a better productivity choice against something like a Windows 98 PC especially for Adobe workflow. I don't even think Lightroom was annouced by Adobe yet, Apple hasn't released Aperture, so photo editing was all about Photoshop, and the PPC Macs + OS were tuned for it.

But with the transition to Intel things changed very quickly. The unibody gen of MBP particularly were so good, the chips are already Intel Core i5/i7 instead of the initial Core (2) Duos, the advent of Thunderbolt, and Mac OS Snow Leopard etc... this essentially moved the photography workflow that was previously only possible on workstation Macs to a laptop. And then there is the famous 17" which was simply exotic at its time (though mine was a 13", as my role was being portable as much as possible).

After that I have been building my own studio / business deploying various Macs for both myself and employees, the dark age of touch bar MBPs and the stagnate of desktop Macs... fast forward to Apple Silicon, the 2021 14" 16" M1 Pro / Max was such a homerun in design that they really didn't need to touch it for a few years, and only put in more power inside which is where we got the M3 Max. This 16" I am typing on is as close to a perfect laptop experience as I have ever had. But you have heard all that anyway. Doing edits in Lightroom Classic never felt so spontaneous as on this laptop, and I have a M1 Max Mac Studio also, I can tell a slight edge in responsiveness on the M3 Max. But seriously all Apple Silicon Macs are ridiculously fast for photography anyway, even a base M1 Air. The Intel Macs right before them felt like a joke in comparison (yes I have first hand experience with the latest 2019 MBP 16" i9)

So to answer your question. If I were to put them in numbers:
Power Mac G5 - say this is a baseline 100%
MBP 2011 - easily 150-200%, but it is a laptop so it was quite a feat at its time
M3 Max 16" - 1000% if not more. In fact it is close to infinite, there is virtually no wait time for LR workflow when culling and doing adjustments.

When you get your 16" you will understand. It is just a joy to work with. Medium format RAWs feel like nothing, and I mainly shoot Nikon D850 (14bit 46MP RAW), it is so smooth I sometimes thought it didn't register my click. The only time I get to wait is during import (preview generation), stitching panoramas and HDR bracket merge, and the very new AI Denoise. But these are supposed to be data crunching or cutting edge tasks so it is fine. I still remember having to manually merge panoramas in Photoshop 7 or something. What took 3+ hours of intensely focused manual labour is now like 30 seconds of coffee sipping.
Thanks for the story👍👍👍 Yea that G5 was good and the machine that got me through those early days of photo editing and like you say, the MBP 15” that followed was even better… I was amazed with what that could do.
I’ve changed my order 3 times now. Settled on the M3 MBP Max 64GB/4 TB. I’m covered moving forward no matter what. And the next phase for the studio is into video editing. Can’t wait!
A colleague had that 17”… Damn that looked big at the time!
 
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