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OldTimers does buying an Intel Box Kinda make ya feel...dirty?

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michaelc

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This is my first intel machine and I'm feelin kinda weird, Like maybe i've sold my soul or something.

i guess i never thought it would come to this. That i buy a intel box?!!?

yeah sure it's a mac, Its really kinda sad, i have tears in my eyes as i'm writing this.

this is the end of an era.

an old school mac head parts with his last True mac and buys a intel Mac Mini.

peace
 
Running on x86 isn't that big of deal, however running Windows in either BootCamp or Parallels is a bit icky. Hearing the Windows bong from my MacBook Pro is just wrong.
 
At least Intel have produced faster processors than AMD over the last few years. Remember when the Athlon was much faster than the early Pentium 4's?

At least we don't see the stupid Intel inside logo or the silly chimes on ads.
 
It make me fully switch to Apple.

I bought a G5 when Emagic got bought by Apple because I liked Logic so much. I hated OSX at the time, and used the computer only for the single program.

When they switched to Intel, I figured I could use Windows anyway, so I got an MBP. I started poking around with OSX more, and less than a year later, I have four macs and an iphone. I love the concept and the system. Before Intel, I would not even consider switching, but with the windows crutch, I was willing to give it a shot. No, the only thing running windows is my work laptop.
 
Does it really matter what kind of processor is in it? To me, it's a black box and I don't care how Apple makes it work, as long as it does.

If anything, I'm glad they switched to Intel because it allows people the option of running Windows natively. I'm not saying I'd prefer to run Windows over OSX. It's just that there are some programs that I have to run in a windows environment, and doing so natively is nice. Now I don't ever have to keep a windows machine laying around.
 
On PPC chips...

yellow said:
I'm just thankful that there's no more G5 development. Man, those boxes are nothing but trouble!
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I'm a relative newbie to Macs (longtime Unix/Linux/Windows user), and I bought a used eMac a few months ago to get my feet wet, and I've come to admire the PPC architecture. And while IBM apparently isn't doing PC chip development, isn't Freescale supposed to be working on an evolution of the G4 core that's 64 bit and clocks at 3 ghz?

BTW, my grandmother bought a really old bondi blue iMac G3, and I did a little research and installed OS 9 for her, and as I spent the weekend playing with it, I became incredibly sad...despite its instability, it was a beautiful and intuitive system, and I missed out on using it all those years...
 
I'm old enough to remember feeling dirty buying my first Power PC - because IBM was involved in its manufacture.
 
I've been using PPC and even 68K ever since I switched in the summer of 2007. Getting an intel mini in January made me feel dirty, so I traded it for a Powerbook. :( Of course, you're reading a thinkpad user's post, so I am gthe ultimate traitor. :mad:

yellow said:
I'm just thankful that there's no more G5 development. Man, those boxes are nothing but trouble!
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Yeesh, yes.
Hey, you live 7 miles away from me! Another Tar Heel!
 
michaelc said:
This is my first intel machine and I'm feelin kinda weird, Like maybe i've sold my soul or something.

i guess i never thought it would come to this. That i buy a intel box?!!?

yeah sure it's a mac, Its really kinda sad, i have tears in my eyes as i'm writing this.

this is the end of an era.

an old school mac head parts with his last True mac and buys a intel Mac Mini.

peace
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I feel incredibly dirty thinking about buying an Intel Mac. I'm still typing on my almost 3 yr old iMac G5 and don't really wanna let it go but I need the 24" screen and more horsepower for the stuff I'm doing. For those of you who never had a PPC, you wouldn't understand. I had a Vic 20, Commodore 64, Mac Classic, Performa 550, 6400, 6500, iMac G4 and now a G5. I'm waiting on Montevina before I pull the trigger
 
PPC was cool because it was RISC, which during the 1990s, was able to execute instructions faster due to lower hardware bottlenecks. Since then, Intel has integrated many "RISC"-like features into their processor line, including breaking up long instructions into a series of smaller ones during the execution process in addition to being able to handle many "RISC"-like instructions themselves.

Processors evolve. I don't feel dirty at all. I just want the most horsepower for the dollar.
 
mrkramer said:
Did you feel this way too when you bought you first PPC mac and left the true Macs with the 68k processors?
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I had an 840av (68040 and a 66mhz DSP processor) and i was resistant, but i felt if the platform was to survive the move to risc was important.

I finally bought a powermac 7500. and I couldn't wait for it to arrive and didn't look back.

but now the buss speeds and serial ata not mention to duo core processors, all add up to a good thing. I know my user experience will be improved.

I think it's just taking a while to undo years of a certain way of thinking. example: wintel was the enemy (1984) and it was the brave bright free-thinkers that did not go the way of the lemmings.

i guess i just had to go thru a little sadness for the changes brought on by time.

peace
 
michaelc said:
This is my first intel machine and I'm feelin kinda weird, Like maybe i've sold my soul or something.
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I bought my first Mac in 94 and had been using them for several years prior to that so I guess I qualify as an "old timer"--although at 39 years of age, I'm tending not to care much for that term anymore. :D

Anyway, to answer: no, not at all. I haven't bought an Intel Mac yet, but I use them and support them where I work and nothing feels dirty about it. Then again, I'm not much for nostalgia. I love that Apple does nowadays whatever they need to do to keep pace. I was all for the abandonment of OS 9 and its way of doing things. I don't miss the smiley face Mac startup. I don't miss the old Apple menu. I don't miss Windowshade (did for a little bit, but that was mainly because I had relied on it for so much, not because of any sense of propriety.) Don't miss the Launcher, the Chooser, Extensions, tabbed/pop-up windows, desktop trash can... any of it. Those all had their day in the sun, just like the PPC, and that's gone.
 
michaelc said:
This is my first intel machine and I'm feelin kinda weird, Like maybe i've sold my soul or something.

i guess i never thought it would come to this. That i buy a intel box?!!?

yeah sure it's a mac, Its really kinda sad, i have tears in my eyes as i'm writing this.

this is the end of an era.

an old school mac head parts with his last True mac and buys a intel Mac Mini.

peace
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You should feel dirty, now dive in and enjoy the filth.... lovely Apple goodness.
 
I miss the reliability! I think part of my problem is that I used a light lean OS (panther) on PPC, but a bloated resource hog called Tiger on my intel mac.. so naturally I prefer the PPC chips.. but it could just be the uniqueness of them too.
 
Leon Kowalski said:
Apple went over to the dark side when they abandoned the 6502...
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Funny, a lot of people consider Jack Tramiel to be pure evil, and yet for years he not only owned the company that made the 6502, but used that ownership to his advantage by making his own competing computer that beat Apple in price hands-down thanks to his market manipulation. But we don't complain about that, do we? :)

Maybe it's my cross-platformness, as I've been using Macs off and on since system 6.0.8 but really didn't consider myself a "switcher" till a year ago (mainly because at home I used a windows machine until the aftermath of Vista). And I'm pretty well versed with Windows, linux and Mac systems these days, on three different processor lines. So, call me agnostic, but I just don't get the whole processor-as-religion thing. By rights, people who are really hard core old-timer mac users should have been shreeking when OS X hit the scene, as it's really not an entirely Apple-only product. I mean, a command line terminal? *GASP!* What blasphemy!!

Let's not forget WHY the switch was made: there were problems with the G5's heat generation and power consumption (ever seen a G5 iBook?), and the AIM alliance was slow to come up with the next suitable successor. Apple couldn't wait forever if it wanted to keep growing. And, the switch to Intel made running alternative OSes easier, for those so inclined. No matter what you think about Windows users, I think Apple would still be in a rough spot if it weren't for them, and if it weren't for the switch.

People complain NOW about the MacBook Pro's heat. Imagine the scaldings people would get if it was PowerPC based? And forget about a MacBook Air. Love it or hate it, the MBA has earned Apple tons of attention.

Nobody's sold their soul to anything. It's just a tiny pile of metal and silicon. All that's changed is how the metal bits are arranged and who's cutting the wafers. And anyway, it seems these days as though for all the hand-wringing people do about Intel, they sure do dance on command for Apple.
 
scaredpoet said:
Nobody's sold their soul to anything. It's just a tiny pile of metal and silicon. All that's changed is how the metal bits are arranged and who's cutting the wafers. And anyway, it seems these days as though for all the hand-wringing people do about Intel, they sure do dance on command for Apple.
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In the old times we could of sharpened our swords for each other.

Now...

You know, i've never thought of it in quite that way, thanks for pointing that out.

peace
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I miss the reliability! I think part of my problem is that I used a light lean OS (panther) on PPC, but a bloated resource hog called Tiger on my intel mac.. so naturally I prefer the PPC chips.. but it could just be the uniqueness of them too.
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I'm curious why you haven't moved on to Leopard then. I run Tiger on an old G3 iBook (500Mhz) and its astonishing how responsive and fast it really is. Of course, I'm not editing video on it or doing heavy-duty design work, but for listening to music and surfing the web and email and all that, there's no lag or any noticeable problems which is remarkable for a 6-year-old Mac.
 
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