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VaruLV

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Now, hear me out, before you start hating me for creating a separate thread instead of posting this as a comment in one of the previously made MBP 14/16 threads :D!

TL: DR - I loved my MBP 14, yet I returned it due to build quality issues.


I ordered my base config MBP 14 few weeks ago, had to wait for it. During that time I was going in circles, loops inside my mind whether I really need it or just want it and whether my M1 12.9 iPP and low-key ThinkPad Ryzen 4000 combo couldnt do it for my daily tasks, damn, that was crazy, because MBP 14 that I ordered cost almost 2300 euros, thats just how much they cost over here.

The day it arrived I was, well, positive about it, but not too excited, I mean, its just another piece of tech, not a worlds hunger and peace solver, right?

But, dang, after using it for almost a week I really started to love that machine, its old-school, squared design, its screen with its sharpness and colors(oh, the nothch is still there, but after few days I started to ignore it more and more, still, would have been better without it tho, uselessly big without faceID which I love on my iPP and webcam quality worse than much older Surface Book), how quiet it was, never heard fan on it, neither when updating OS, nor when installing numerous apps or having multiple apps and windows open with few audio editors launched, silent!

The battery life - that one I was a bit cautious about, but boy, if they say that M1/M2 MBA has considerably longer battery life than MBP 14, then Im positively scared as to how good it would be with MBA! I had MBP 14 on battery power for 50 hours, out of which more than 12h were screen-on time, screen brightness during daytime 7-9(out of 16) and 3-6 during evenings, late nights, all indoors. I think I could get 14h with my current light use if turned it off instead of sleep. And Im pretty sure that with low power mode enabled it would go even further, let alone if I lowered screen brigthness a notch or two, btw, Im using dark mode everywhere and that means that lots of content required turned up the screen brightness, so theres that, turn on light mode and you might want to turn that brightness down a bit and get even more battery life!

Now, the power of this thing - didnt get with it as far as to see how powerful it is, I will trust others, who have, on this one, but I looked at it not as just a simple, little laptop, but as a portable workstation with great battery life! With 16GB of RAM never got even a megabyte of in swap.

The speakers were great, not the loudest ones for a laptop, but very good sounding, I was impressed! Watched movies and listened to some background music without feeling the need for my usual bluetooth speaker!

The keyboard - coming from Thinkpad and Surface Book in our household I didnt like it at first, I expected it to be a bit quieter than those two and I wasnt sure if I can get used to shallow key travel. After a few days of using it I kind of started to type more accurately on it and also got used to key travel, didnt seem such a deal anymore, however, what seemed like a big deal was feeling of the keys themselves, they felt really good to the touch, like no other keyboard Ive touched before.

Trackpad was fine, I liked it, tho show desktop finger swipe didnt always work and I suspect it had to do something with how mission control works.

MacOS - I was surprised how well I started to adapt to it coming from Windows, I liked its looks tho there were some things that, for the time being, I found more familiar in Windows. Im using W11 and even with that I felt like, for me, macOS felt fresher and, combined with Macbook, more inviting for me to drop my procrastinations and get things done, so its subjectively my experience.

Ports - well, theres no such thing as too many ports, so I liked them, used SD card slots, love thats it full sized and not that botch half-measure microSD one like on so many recent laptops.



So, after such lengthy, positive hands on experience description, why did I return it, you might ask? After all, it felt just right, as a laptop and as a computer for me.

Well, its was its build quality - clicks and squeaks coming from bottom panel and right palmrest were just unacceptable for me, not for a 2300 euros. I was really trying to come up with excuses not to return it even if all that was asked was to reseat the bottom panel, but I didnt want to risk doing that just to end up not fixing its assembly issues and then getting charged by retailer for tampering with device when I return it, we dont have Apple stores here where one could just walk in and get instant replacement or get it fixed immediately, so I chose to return it.

What did I gain from these few days of trying out MBP 14? Well, peace of mind, so to speak. I tried out macOS in beautiful device and Im quite sure that, unless Miscrosoft released awesome Surface device/devices this autumn with great battery life, redesigned chassis and latest and greatest AMD CPU's with good performance-battery life balance, then my next laptop, or desktop computer, most likely will be a Mac.

And its coming from someone who couldnt care less for those overpriced Apple computers with crappy thermals, noise and battery life... until they released M1 with silent operation, long battery life and lots of power per watt.

Well, I salute all of you who read it through all this long rambling and not just TL: DR part :D!
 
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Well, its was its build quality - clicks and squeaks coming from bottom panel and right palmrest were just unacceptable for me, not for a 2300 euros.

first time I hear about this and I read MBP forums since 14" came out, were you pressing hard or something? I tried it on mine and I cannot hear any clicks or squeaks.
 

VaruLV

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first time I hear about this and I read MBP forums since 14" came out, were you pressing hard or something? I tried it on mine and I cannot hear any clicks or squeaks.
I googled it and it appears that some 14 as well as 16" units are affected by it, so no, it wasnt just my unit.

Putting palms on palmrest to start typing - clicks/creaks.
Picking up laptop by either lower corner or both - creaks.
Putting in on my lap or picking it up from my lap, regardless where do I hold it - creaks.
 

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I had the palm rest noise but fixed it by loosening and retightening all the bottom screws. Took about three goes but it's gone and hasn't come back for the few weeks since doing it.

Shouldn't have had to do it I know but it really was a simple and painless fix.
 
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VaruLV

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Oh and speakers, totally forgot about speakers!
They werent exactly the loudest speakers Ive heard on a laptop, but the sound quality on those was very impressive for a laptop! I didnt feel the need for bluetooth speakers that Im usually using when watching movies or when playing back some music at unobtrusive sound levels, so yeah, speakers were really good!
 

VaruLV

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Either Surface Laptop 5 or M2 Pro 14" or, maybe, M2 Air if it drops in price or I happen to be in a country where it's priced more sensibly.
I still have my windows laptop and ipad pro, will make do with this combo for a little bit more.
 

VaruLV

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Kind of sounds you don't know what you're talking about or just didn't read well enough what I wrote 😉
 

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Either Surface Laptop 5 or M2 Pro 14" or, maybe, M2 Air if it drops in price or I happen to be in a country where it's priced more sensibly.
If you did not like the build quality of MBP 14", you are going to hate MBA M2.
Is it even more flexible than MBP 14". I think it is mostly because of the flat design, older rounder shape design actually gave more solidness to the chassis. I think it would have required to use very thick sheet of aluminum to match the rigidity of rounder shape chassis which is of course not possible when new MBA M2 is lighter than MBA M1.
 

VaruLV

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The build quality was good, assembly quality most likely wasn't as it has been the case with other users having the same issues as the one I returned had.
Will check out M2 Air and see what I feel like about its sturdiness.
 
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The build quality was good, assembly most likely quality wasn't as it has been the case with other users having the same issues as the I returned had.
There are not many ways to assemble the bottom plate. As long as clips are in place and screws tightened it is correct. It is just so flexible it will loosen up. Mine did not make sounds from moving it but now it does some after I had to lift it from different corners countless times trying to solve my laptop stand position and that it was not quite level and straight, so bottom plate gets looser if you do so.

Will check out M2 Air and see what I feel like about its sturdiness.
It is flexible. Keyboard deck flexes a lot as does bottom plate and whole chassis when I tested couple demo units.
Also it made interesting sounds when hitting middle keyboard keys with a bit more force compared to MBP 14".
 
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No sounds from my 16 and I highly suspect the vast majority of them are quiet. Perhaps you should try another if that was your only issue.
 
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No sounds from my 16 and I highly suspect the vast majority of them are quiet. Perhaps you should try another if that was your only issue.
Just keep doing something that causes torsion to the chassis and it will come. Mine was silent before doing that. I'm not considering it something worth to return as I'm sure I get it with another one eventually.
 
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VaruLV

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There are not many ways to assemble the bottom plate. As long as clips are in place and screws tightened it is correct. It is just so flexible it will loosen up. Mine did not make sounds from moving it but now it does some after I had to lift it from different corners countless times trying to solve my laptop stand position and that it was not quite level and straight, so bottom plate gets looser if you do so.


It is flexible. Keyboard deck flexes a lot as does bottom plate and whole chassis when I tested couple demo units.
Also it made interesting sounds when hitting middle keyboard keys with a bit more force compared to MBP 14".

So I checked out midnight and starlight M2 Air's today at the store, both had wavy bottom plates right beneath the hinge just like other people have reported in other M2 Air threads.
Bottom plate itself seemed rather thin, thinner than the one on 14" MBP and even on Pro model it wasnt of the thickest to be honest.
So, naturally, bottom plate on MBA flexed easily when pressed in, keyboard deck and palmrest, on the other hand, seemed solid, even more so than on 14" Pro to some extent, I mean, M2 Air is crammed full at that thinness so not much space left for top cover to bend or flex into the laptop itself?
Compared it to nearby M1 Air and bottom plate seemed less or more similar on both models, however trying to slightly "twist" the laptop to see how rigid they are, M2 Air was visibly flexing/twisting while M1 Air not so much.
I think when comparing both M2 and M1 Air's the main difference for me was that last part of twisting, so, even tho M2 is light, I dont know how would it hold up with that thin build over time if picking it up or carrying around by either of its lover corners when open, even 14" Pro felt more robust in this matter and that thing is about 400 grams heavier.
And I think its not about matter of "holding it wrong".

Overall I did like M2 Airs build, except for botom covers waviness and bit too easy twisting for my liking, then again - if one can get it at considerable discount, imho it might be well worth it if the spec is right for the price.
 
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