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Vlade

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Feb 2, 2003
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4
Meadville, PA
Has anyone read anything or experimented with overclocking the core duo? I don't know how apple decided to handle the clocks on the core duos (either EFI or hardware) but I'm always curious about that kind of stuff because I love to overclock everything I can :). I know the chip can half its multiplier if there is little load on the CPU, I'm guessing thats software controlled or driver controlled somewhere.

PS: Please don't talk about whether or not we should overclock, yes we all know the dangers of overclocking but some of us like to do it anyway :)
 

Demon Hunter

macrumors 68020
Mar 30, 2004
2,284
39
Haha, overclocking rocks. It would be exciting if it was in the EFI. The Core Duo isn't a Celeron, though, so I don't know what kind of increase you'd get.
 

Airforce

macrumors 6502a
Jan 12, 2006
933
0
The 2.16ghz core duo has been able to hit 3.4ghz. It's a great overclocker, but I wouldn't be overclocking those chips in such small spaces....bad idea for any cpu.
 

dmw007

macrumors G4
May 26, 2005
10,635
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Working for MI-6
Airforce said:
The 2.16ghz core duo has been able to hit 3.4ghz. It's a great overclocker, but I wouldn't be overclocking those chips in such small spaces....bad idea for any cpu.

You are right, I have seen some benchmarks of over-clocked Core Duos (up to 3.4GHz) and the performance is incredible. Not so sure how good of an idea it would be to OC a Core Duo in a MBP, maybe in a iMac though. :)
 

zap2

macrumors 604
Mar 8, 2005
7,252
8
Washington D.C
I would think the iMac could handle a very hot chip, as i'm sure the G5 was a lot hotter.

But that also assumes Apple used the same fan as the G5 iMacs
 

dmw007

macrumors G4
May 26, 2005
10,635
0
Working for MI-6
zap2 said:
I would think the iMac could handle a very hot chip, as i'm sure the G5 was a lot hotter.

But that also assumes Apple used the same fan as the G5 iMacs

Good point, the G5 does run hotter than a Core Duo. :)
 

tonyl

macrumors 6502
Jan 18, 2006
284
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CPU-Z can be used in windows for overclocking, but no working version for i945GP (iMac logic board). Since you can change the Vcore, so the OCing will be very limited.
 

aplasticspork

macrumors regular
May 27, 2004
199
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Seattle Wa.
The macbook pro might be able to handle a bit of an overclock (not much though). Someone on this forum said that they got the X1600 in their macbook pro up to 470 core, 470 memory. Mine is at 313 core, 297 memory by default, and it can go up to 473/526, though at those speeds there are video issues. It is stable, however at 450/450 (and Oblivion gets decent framerates at almost the highest settings). I'm not sure how much of a temperature increase that is (as there aren't any temperature monitors for the intel macs yet), but it's probably significant. I think that just a cpu overclock might actually be possible, but I personally wouldn't be willing to be the lab rat since there aren't as obvious signs when your cpu is too hot. with the gpu there are graphics issues when you go too high, so you know to lower it.

--Andrzej
 

5683565

Suspended
Feb 18, 2006
586
0
Hong Kong
I generally run my Graphics Card at 510/560 without any problems. I am surprised that people have issues at lower frequencies.
 

aplasticspork

macrumors regular
May 27, 2004
199
0
Seattle Wa.
jamesmcd said:
I generally run my Graphics Card at 510/560 without any problems. I am surprised that people have issues at lower frequencies.
This is in the macbook pro, not the imac. The imac has much more space for airflow and cooling than the macbook does. As such, I would expect the graphics card in the imac to go quite a bit higher.

--Andrzej
 

isgoed

macrumors 6502
Jun 5, 2003
328
0
Where is the Clock Crystal?

I used an application CPUFSB on windows to overclock my athlon PC. It works by changing BIOS settings while in Windows. I tried to do it on my Mac Mini but without results. I wonder if it is possible at all since the mini only emulates a BIOS and it might even emulate a BIOS that has no "System Management Bus connection".

Changing the FSB works by changing the frequency of the clock crystal. You need to know which crystal is in your system. A clock crystal looks like this:

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I looked at pictures from disassembled mini's (1) (2) (look at download for high res), but could not find one.

So I opened up my mini and indeed found a crystal. I don't have a digital camera, but I attached a schematic of what is underneath the airport card. The chips read:

Crystal: 24. 576H6B
agere L-FW323-06 1394A LINK/PHY 0607S 50284247
B: SST 25vfo 16B 50-4C-S2AF
32 768 KDS0604
+330 e62
+J8 EP
F: KL1 T2
G KL1 T2

the Agere chip seems to be firewire (1394). And also the crystal is attached to the agere chip, so I don't think It's the frequency chip. Under the ram slots there is pretty much nothing. I have not lifted my mainboard completely out, but by looking at the pictures I concluded that there was no clock crystal on the mac mini.

I am now confused how the BUS-speed is controlled on the new intel chips. It might be that they are using onchip crystals. On the internet i found two documents about the PLL bus controller of the 945 chipset (1# PDF 2.1 MB) (2# PDF 2.3 MB).

Traditionally you could also solder jumpers on a mainboard to change the CPU-frequency. I don't know if it's possible on the new chipsets. The recent overclocks of core duo's and core celeron's (on PC's) were done by increasing the FSB in bios.

arstechnica have looked at the chipset of the iMac and found:
arstechnica.com said:
Rumor has it that the iMac Core Duo uses a custom chipset designed by Intel. From looking at pictures of the chips, we were able to do some deduction from the chip numbers. The northbridge chip looks to be an 82945GM, which identifies it as the Mobile Intel 945GM Express chipset. According to the S-Spec number (SL8Z2), it's a standard Intel chipset and therefore not an Apple-specific variant. The southbridge appears to be an ICH7-M, which has support for a Trusted Computing module.

Finally: has anyone looked in changing FSB settings from within EFI (extensible firmware interface)?
 

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balamw

Moderator emeritus
Aug 16, 2005
19,365
979
New England
Silly me, I often find that overclocking is one of the two main sources of instability in many of the Windows boxes people ask me for help with. Cheap and/or incompatible RAM is the other.

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