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7on

macrumors 601
Nov 9, 2003
4,939
0
Dress Rosa
Yeah but the iPhone for webapps actually opened up Safari and loaded the page from the internet. With this phone the code is stored locally and all the prebuilt apps are web apps from calendar to the phone app.

Apple's webapp idea might have gone differently if they did it that way.
 

sikkinixx

macrumors 68020
Jul 10, 2005
2,062
0
Rocketing through the sky!
I think it looks pretty cool. I am not happy with the keyboard coming out of the bottom as opposed to the side, which would have allowed it to be bigger.

I guess they are appealing to crackberry users who already have the dexterity to use those teeny buttons (ugh). The wireless charging is a neat gimmick too.
 

leishan

macrumors 6502
Jan 29, 2005
253
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I was wondering how much longer it was going to take for them to get this to market. Too bad it is Sprint only...
 

drichards

macrumors 6502a
Nov 30, 2008
803
0
And here I thought Palm was going under. Oops.

The only Palm based device I ever had was a Sony full color touchscreen PDA that spent most of its time being an awesome universal remote with TV Guide and news on it. But one run thru the wash changed all that. Silly me.

I'll stick to my Blackberry, they know what they're doing. Palm lost the smartphone business for a reason.
 

CrackedButter

macrumors 68040
Jan 15, 2003
3,221
0
51st State of America
The Palm Pre looks lovely, the fact it has a keyboard that slides out and isn't that much thicker than the iPhone is a good call. Sometimes I get bored tapping on the iPhone screen writing out emails, I'd just rather reply instead from my mac.
 

coupdetat

macrumors 6502
Jul 11, 2008
451
0
If this works with my SERO plan, I'm upgrading ASAP. My Centro is great, but the software is horribly outdated.
 

7on

macrumors 601
Nov 9, 2003
4,939
0
Dress Rosa
I love that the keyboard comes out of the bottom. I had a landscape slider and never was able to type one handed. In fact I never use the iPhone's landscape keyboard.

And I liked how the web browser didn't show a checkerboard like the iPhone when scrolling through a webpage.
 

fteoath64

macrumors regular
Nov 16, 2008
215
0
It looks promising but I would have ditched the keyboard. I just can't believe that they are that much better than the touchscreen keyboard on iPhone for phone use.

Not True. Try typing while in a car or bus. It is basically IMPOSSIBLE. I can still type using a single left hand on the TREO 650!. Reply to SMS is way efficient, if can be done using one hand.
 

fteoath64

macrumors regular
Nov 16, 2008
215
0
Between Apple and Rim, I find it hard for Palm to gain anything out of this. To little to late IMHO.

That maybe the US market but the rest-of-world has 10X the volume/demand compared to the US. Look Apple sells more iPhone by volume outside of the US. Pre will carve its market share from the WinMo phones like what Treo did before. There is plenty of picking in that space.

Also remember Palm is not a no-name brand. Remember their Pilot, Tungstun. They did move volumes during their time. Not to mention the Treos.

I would ditch iPhone the moment Pre beats it in functionality I want period. Dont like being locked to iTunes. Like DiskMode, A2DP, standard HSPA modem mode etc etc things that Apple for some silly reason things you don't need. If RIM behaves like this, they would be dead long ago. Today, RIM is doing fine, thank you!.
 

rhett7660

macrumors G5
Jan 9, 2008
14,379
4,505
Sunny, Southern California
That maybe the US market but the rest-of-world has 10X the volume/demand compared to the US. Look Apple sells more iPhone by volume outside of the US. Pre will carve its market share from the WinMo phones like what Treo did before. There is plenty of picking in that space.

Also remember Palm is not a no-name brand. Remember their Pilot, Tungstun. They did move volumes during their time. Not to mention the Treos.

I would ditch iPhone the moment Pre beats it in functionality I want period. Dont like being locked to iTunes. Like DiskMode, A2DP, standard HSPA modem mode etc etc things that Apple for some silly reason things you don't need. If RIM behaves like this, they would be dead long ago. Today, RIM is doing fine, thank you!.

Never said they were a no name brand. I don't think they will beat out anybody at the moment. Even with this announcement. If they do great! But I don't think they will.

Here is some reading for you about the launch etc...

Palm, considered a pioneer in the smartphone market, is in need of rejuvenation, and some analysts see the new Nova software as its best shot in years. Indeed, news that Palm was scheduling a press conference at the Consumer Electronics Show, where the Nova system was unveiled, jolted Palm shares, which spiked significantly in anticipation that the oft-delayed new software was finally on its way.

Some analysts, however, remain skeptical that the company will be able to turn things around.

"While the expected new Operating System launch at CES on Jan. 8 represents a glimmer of hope, we remain skeptical as we await more details given the company's lack of timely launches," wrote Jim Suva of Citigroup, who has a sell rating on the stock.

The new Nova operating system has been delayed several times. In the interim, Palm has had to make do with software underpinnings created in 2004, which is a very long time in the fast-moving technology market, and has watched its market dominance erode as it failed to keep up with Blackberry maker Research In Motion Ltd. (RIMM), Apple Inc. (AAPL) and its iPhone 3G.

Palm's also coming off a wider net loss in its fiscal second-quarter amid falling sales and margins. Its aging line-up of products has had a weaker consumer appeal.

For the quarter, Palm posted a net loss of $506 million, or $4.64 a share, from $8.65 million, or 9 cents a share a year earlier. Revenue dropped 45% to $ 191.6 million as smartphone sales fell 39%. Gross margin decreased to 19.9% from 29.7%.

Standard & Poor's earlier this month cut the credit rating on Palm two notches further into junk territory, citing weak sales and market-share losses.

Source: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200901081444DOWJONESDJONLINE000869_FORTUNE5.htm



Palm Pre borrows from iPhone, but shows promise
Palm's new Pre smartphone borrows heavily from the Apple iPhone, but shows a lot of promise, writes Needham analyst Charlie Wolf. Palm announced the Pre at a major CES event on Thursday, revealing a device with features signature to the iPhone, such as an accelerometer and multi-touch controls. Wolf argues that the phone may in fact be better in some regards, particularly in terms of its ability to sync contacts and calendars across numerous devices.

The Pre also relies on a new "card" metaphor for its interface, which lets users quickly switch between entire applications in the same way that Safari switches between browser tabs. Pre owners should also have advantages such as a physical keyboard, and being able to launch apps from anywhere in the phone's OS, instead of having to return to a home screen.

Wolf comments however that Palm does not appear to be interested in competing with the media functions of the iPhone, or the e-mail capabilities of RIM's BlackBerry phones. He suggests that the Pre is instead targeted at people buying their first smartphone, though this may still put it in competition with the iPhone.

The Pre's biggest limitation may in fact be the initial choice of carrier, as it will be an exclusive to Sprint during launch. Wolf describes Sprint as "fast fading," and proposes that if the Pre is to become a real success, it will need to have models for other carriers such as Verizon and AT&T.

Source:http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/01/09/needham.on.palm.pre/

Of course Palm may come out of no where and take the market by storm. Who knows. I just don't see that it will. That is all. Not saying it is bad or that it sucks etc. I just think they were a little too late to the game that is all.
 

LethalWolfe

macrumors G3
Jan 11, 2002
9,370
124
Los Angeles
I'm liking it. Maybe I'll take a look at his before I get my iPhone in March since I'm already on Sprint. Not sure it'll change my mind, though. It'll all come down to the OS.
I'm a wait-and-see too. I'm out of contract w/Sprint so I know I can leverage a good deal w/them to re-up for another 2 years, but currently they don't have any phones that I find all that appealing. Maybe the Palm Pre will change that.


Lethal
 

LethalWolfe

macrumors G3
Jan 11, 2002
9,370
124
Los Angeles
I've been w/Sprint for nearly 10 years and my overall experience has been positive. A big reason I'd like to stay w/Sprint is that most of my friends and family use Sprint as well so I save money by making mostly in-network calls.


Lethal
 

coupdetat

macrumors 6502
Jul 11, 2008
451
0
I've been with Sprint for about four years on the SERO plan. Their customer service used to be truly awful, but I've noticed it has improved in the last year or so. I'm really happy to hear about the Pre because Sprint has always had a terrible phone selection, though. I've stayed with them solely because of SERO but hopefully the Pre will give me another reason.

Also, their 3G (EVDO) is amazing and coverage is excellent.
 
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