Parallels Desktop for Arm's Mac?

[ginofresh]

so I am pretty happy with the new Silicon chip's I can't wait to see how stronger and faster mac's can become, but what worry's me is bc of work I need a VM AKA Parallels for my Mac for my work. does anyone know if Parallels is going to make this work? I seen the post they posted on there website, just trying to get more input as do you guys think they it can be done?

 

[maflynn]

Paralell's is a product that allows you to run multiple operating systems on the Mac, most notably windows. You can run windows on bare bones (Bootcamp), or virtualized it.

Will windows run on ARM macs? No, its x86, so windows natively will be incompatible, and I doubt MS will roll out a customized ARM version for Apple's Ax processor.

 

[DearthnVader]

What did they posted on their website?

On x86 Parallels is virtualization not emulation, running x86 on Arm requires emulation.

 

[TiggrToo]

so I am pretty happy with the new Silicon chip's I can't wait to see how stronger and faster mac's can become, but what worry's me is bc of work I need a VM AKA Parallels for my Mac for my work. does anyone know if Parallels is going to make this work? I seen the post they posted on there website, just trying to get more input as do you guys think they it can be done?

Thier most recent statement states that they're "working on it". That's all anyone can ask for.

I remember the first time I saw a virtual machine running and was gobsmacked at the magic. We may yet be surprised...

No one except those folk, VMWare and the VirtualBox folks at Oracle have the answer.

 

[maflynn]

What did they posted on their website?

Good point.
Parallels and Apple Work Closely to Bring Virtualization Capabilities to Macs with Apple Silicon

“Parallels® is proud to be working closely with Apple during this exciting transition, and we’re looking forward to launching support for future Macs with Apple Silicon,” said Nick Dobrovolskiy, Senior Vice President of Engineering and Customer Support for Parallels.

While Parallels is working to produce an ARM based application to virtualize operating systems, they will only be ARM based OS's.

 

[ginofresh]

hmm okay thanks for the input I would hate to have to go back windows if they don't come out with an update to run windows...

 

[DearthnVader]

If you have an iPhone or iPad and want to get an idea on how emulation of x86 Windows may run on Arm based Macs, you could try:

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[maflynn]

Rosetta Won't Support x86 Virtualization Apps Running Windows

Rosetta Won't Support x86 Virtualization Apps Running Windows

Apple yesterday announced plans to build future Macs with its own custom silicon chips, and to ease the transition away from Intel processors, Apple revived the "Rosetta" feature that allowed PowerPC apps to run on Intel processors during the PowerPC to Intel transition. Now revived, Rosetta...

forums.macrumors.com

Looks like Rosetta 2 won't help you

 

[maflynn]

hmm okay thanks for the input I would hate to have to go back windows if they don't come out with an update to run windows...

I do believe with this move to ARM, apple is closing the door on windows.

 

[Pressure]

Windows 10 (Arm64) is a thing you know. Not sure what the state of it is but Microsoft have been working on it.

 

[pshufd]

What did they posted on their website?

On x86 Parallels is virtualization not emulation, running x86 on Arm requires emulation.

Or translation. It would be really cool to come up with a product that does translation for an entire operating system.

 

[DearthnVader]

If you have an iPhone or iPad and want to get an idea on how emulation of x86 Windows may run on Arm based Macs, you could try:

Redirecting…

I just booted the Mac OS 9 Install CD image in the iPhone versions of Qemu, and it booted lighting fast.

I know that's not Window$, I'll upload an ISO image of XP later and install it to see how it runs one the iPhone XR.

 

[Xack]

Apple needs to strike a deal with Microsoft somehow, like back in the day on PPC Connectix Virtual PC came with an officially licensed copy of Windows 98.

 

[pshufd]

Apple needs to strike a deal with Microsoft somehow, like back in the day on PPC Connectix Virtual PC came with an officially licensed copy of Windows 98.

You need an automated translation system - or else Windows Update would kill the process.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

There's too many unknowns regarding Windows in the future. I'd say to wait and see how it's going to play out

 

[pshufd]

There's too many unknowns regarding Windows in the future. I'd say to wait and see how it's going to play out

If you need Windows, buy a Windows system. Or an Intel Mac. Or use a Cloud service. The challenges with running x64 Windows on macOS ARM are considerable and, while I can envision a good solution, the motivations for companies to implement it aren't solid in my mind. It's a considerable technical challenge as well.

 

[Lars B.]

It's highly likely that there will be a version of Parallels with Windows 10 on the new ARM Macs.

1. We know Parallels Desktop works on the ARM Macs. We have already seen a demo of Parallels running Linux. We have also seen the Linux kernel architecture string during the Platforms State of the Union. It's the standard ARM64 Linux.
2. Microsoft is already shipping a version of Windows 10 for ARM64, e.g. on their own Surface Pro X.
3. That version of Windows might not have all the drivers needed for ARM Macs, but that's not a problem, because we don't want to run it directly on the Mac (via something like Bootcamp), but we want to run it on a virtual machine. So Parallels can provide all necessary drivers.
   On an Intel Mac, it's the same thing: You need only the Parallels graphics driver in Windows 10 when you run it in Parallels on an Intel Mac with AMD or Intel graphics. You do not need any AMD or Intel graphics drivers which would have to be installed if you installed Windows with Bootcamp. And if you copy your Parallels virtual machine from a Mac with Intel graphics to another Mac with AMD graphics, you don't need to install new drivers in Windows because from Windows' point of view, nothing has changed—it's still running on a Parallels graphics card.
4. Both Parallels and Microsoft will be interested in making this work. Parallels will sell many more copies of Parallels Desktop if it works with Windows 10 and not only with Linux. Microsoft doesn't care if people buy their license of Windows for a PC or a Mac. If anything, they earn more money from a Mac customer, because PCs usually already come with a preinstalled OEM version of Windows which sells for a lot less money than the full version of Windows that Mac users with Parallels buy.
5. Rosetta will not work with VMs on the new Macs. That's true. But Rosetta is not needed at all. The ARM version of Windows 10 will work without Rosetta, and the nice thing is, Windows 10 for ARM has its own "Rosetta" that allows you to run Windows software compiled for Intel processors. This works great on the Surface Pro X, and it will work just the same on a Mac with Parallels.

So, to summarize: There's no reason why Windows 10 for ARM won't be available for the new ARM Macs. With native ARM software (for Windows), the speed will be great, and if your Windows software is only available as an Intel version, it will run slightly slower, just like older Intel-only Mac software will run just fine, but with reduced performance (compared to native ARM software) on the new ARM Macs.

 

[RoundaboutRider]

For what its worth, if Parallels can‘t get Windows 10 running smoothly and efficiently for me as it does now I’ll simply get rid of my iPad Pro and swap it with a Surface Pro; then use the ARM MacBook Pro 13 to run my iPad Pro apps. With the Magic Keyboard the iPad Pro is already close enough to an MBP so I might as well just run it off the Mac and use a Surface for Windows and Xbox console streaming.

 

[DearthnVader]

For what it's worth Window emulation will likely be ready on day one when the Arm Macs ship.....

 

[glenthompson]

If you need Windows, buy a Windows system. Or an Intel Mac. Or use a Cloud service. The challenges with running x64 Windows on macOS ARM are considerable and, while I can envision a good solution, the motivations for companies to implement it aren't solid in my mind. It's a considerable technical challenge as well.

Exactly what we did for my wife. She had some Windows only programs she needed occasionally so we picked up a Windows laptop on Woot! for less than $200. Not much price difference compared to a Parallels + Windows license and doesn’t muck up her iMac. Easier maintenance too. I understand that some people need it all in a portable package so the virtualization and emulation tools are critical to them. Hard to carry around 3 laptops when you need macOS, Windows, and Linux at the same time.

 

[ssong]

Has anyone tried using UTM to run macOS 11?

 

[DearthnVader]

Has anyone tried using UTM to run macOS 11?

We have no idea what the Arm boot loader is going to look like, so we have no way to load the kernel.

 

[RoundaboutRider]

Apple’s new ARM-based Macs won’t support Windows through Boot Camp

Microsoft has the power to change ARM-based Macs running Windows 10 on ARM.

www.theverge.com

According to The Verge Microsoft is not releasing Windows on ARM images and Craig Federighi has said "Purely virtualization is the route. These hypervisors can be very efficient, so the need to direct boot shouldn’t really be the concern."

None of this allays my fears running Windows smoothly (especially at Boot Camp speeds with an eGPU) considering Apple's general hubris.

 

[pshufd]

Apple’s new ARM-based Macs won’t support Windows through Boot Camp

Microsoft has the power to change ARM-based Macs running Windows 10 on ARM.

www.theverge.com

According to The Verge Microsoft is not releasing Windows on ARM images and Craig Federighi has said "Purely virtualization is the route. These hypervisors can be very efficient, so the need to direct boot shouldn’t really be the concern."

None of this allays my fears running Windows smoothly (especially at Boot Camp speeds with an eGPU) considering Apple's general hubris.

If you want to run Windows smoothly, buy or build a PC. I would not expect Apple to run Windows well. Run it? Yes.

 

[ducknalddon]

It seems unlikely we will get anything usable. Even if Microsoft released an ARM image for Parallels it isn't going to be much use if you want to run x86 software (which is pretty much everything for Windows).

I'm running VMWare and Bootcamp at the moment, fortunately only for three or four more years then I can forget about Windows. This will coincide nicely with the expected life of my MacMini.