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zoran

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I’m looking for photos of locations and great personalities. Have you got any sites to suggest cause Shutterstock or Adobe Stock don’t seem to be satisfying 😐
 
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Jumpthesnark

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Depends on what subjects you're looking for, what kind of license you want and why you don't find those other sources satisfactory. Have you tried Getty?
 
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zoran

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Yes I understand but those Getty images are very expensive.
 

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Well i want to use a few photos from celebrities (eg. Jackie Kennedy Onassis, Michael Jackson etc etc) for a school book with events and celebs from the last 50years.
 

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Well i want to use a few photos from celebrities (eg. Jackie Kennedy Onassis, Michael Jackson etc etc) for a school book with events and celebs from the last 50years.
When you say "for a school book," do you mean you are going to publish a textbook? Or do you mean you are going to create a book for a class project, and it would only be shared with your teacher and fellow students?

If you are creating a textbook, you will need to find legitimate images that you can license. Try Alamy, Getty, Zumapress for example. They have many historical celebrity photos that you can research and license.

If you mean you are creating a book for a class project, you likely don't need to worry about licensing, as using copyrighted material for classwork usually falls under fair use. Which means you can simply go a Google image search for the images.

Normally I wouldn't recommend that route, because the unauthorized use of copyrighted material is theft. But for a school project you should be okay for such usage.
 
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zoran

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Hi, many thanks for your help suggestions.
So when creating a publication of a book, in terms of having the correct photo rights, im wondering who is obligated to purchase the images that will be used?
The book owner or the book designer?
 

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Hi, many thanks for your help suggestions.
So when creating a publication of a book, in terms of having the correct photo rights, im wondering who is obligated to purchase the images that will be used?
The book owner or the book designer?
You need to talk with your publisher. They may ask you to do the work and find the images yourself and license them yourself, and then include licensing fees in your payment. Other publishers would have people who can do the downloading and licensing of the high res images, but they'll probably want you to do the photo research yourself, and just download (free) low-res FPO versions of the images you want to use. Check with your agent & publisher.
 
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zoran

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If I download the pic’s under my image bank account, is that gonna be ok with the image bank regarding the rights, or should it be under the name of the book owner/publisher?
 
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Jumpthesnark

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I don't know what image bank is, or how that relates.

You need to license an image for publication, generally including how it will be used (textbook), press run (# of copies of the book that will be printed), size of image (thumbnail, 1/4 page, half page, full page, etc.) and where it will be used (cover, back cover, inside pages, etc.) based on the rules/instructions that the license holder (for example, Getty) provides you on the image page.

As you are not publishing the book, I think it makes sense for the publisher to hold the license. But that's something you need to discuss with your publisher, as I don't know what your contract says about who is responsible for the content of the book.
 
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Logistically, it is better that you have the license that you can show to the publisher on demand. It also gives you the flexibility to change publisher where not tied into their printing service. This is particurally applicable with POD (Print on Demand) publishing. If you rely on a publisher to obtain licenses, it will cost you more as they don't work for free and it is passed on to you. With cost already an issue, expect the publisher to charge the cost of the license you would pay anyway PLUS a service fee to cover their cost and convenience. Also, FYI, more expensive than most licenses, each different format of the same book - paperback, hardback, eBook, requires a separate ISBN number. If you contract out portions, like the cover design, the designer will get the license for photos/graphics they include and pass it to you, their client, for the intended usage. In the book I wrote, I avoided all that as I created the publisher, designed the cover and 100% of the photos were mine. You absolutely want to follow copyright laws and license when required as I can guarantee you they are formally registered with the US Patent Office (or similar in other countries.) That takes them front the realm of "fair use" that is automatic with every photo people take and have to file in small claims court, to damages potentially in 6 figures (but generally 5 figures) plus their attorney fees and court costs. You don't want to go there - or ignore their attorney's demand letter in lieu of court as that may be the cheaper option irrespective if you view it as excessive.
 

zoran

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It also gives you the flexibility to change publisher where not tied into their printing service.

If you rely on a publisher to obtain licenses, it will cost you more as they don't work for free and it is passed on to you.

With cost already an issue, expect the publisher to charge the cost of the license you would pay anyway PLUS a service fee to cover their cost and convenience.

Sorry could you make these three comments more clear?
 

zoran

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You've yet to tell us how you'll use the images or what you've found unsatisfactory with Shutterstock or Adobe, so it's kind of hard to help.
Nikos Kazantzakis is one personality im looking for to get a decent photo of, but don't seem to be able in finding one. Even Getty's image, for a book, although smallest size, its too expensive ($200) :(
 

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You could also check out Wikimedia Commons.

The pictures you find there are usually public domain or free to use under the Creative Commons (or similar) license. Infos about the specific usage terms can always be found on the individual picture's page.
 

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You could also check out Wikimedia Commons.

The pictures you find there are usually public domain or free to use under the Creative Commons (or similar) license. Infos about the specific usage terms can always be found on the individual picture's page.
"Usually" indeed. I've found my own photography there, which someone else posted as being "public domain" because they found the photo with a Google search. Getting the photo taken down was a pain.

It's up to the licensor to make sure they have legitimately secured rights to publish a photo.
 

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Nikos Kazantzakis is one personality im looking for to get a decent photo of, but don't seem to be able in finding one. Even Getty's image, for a book, although smallest size, its too expensive ($200) :(

I'm not asking for specifics, but it seems that if you need photography for this book project, you should have a budget for photography. That may mean the publisher will repay you for images you license, or you need to pay for images with your advance, if you received one.

Kazantzakis seems to have left his literary papers to the Historical Museum of Crete. It may be worth reaching out to them to see if they have an image they will allow you to use. Likewise, there may be academic institutions that have photos of him.
 
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zoran

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I'm not asking for specifics, but it seems that if you need photography for this book project, you should have a budget for photography. That may mean the publisher will repay you for images you license, or you need to pay for images with your advance, if you received one.
Apart from the cost of the photo’s license/rights, I have no clue what price to ask for the time it will take me to find the photos that the publisher wants to use.
Is there something standard that’s being asked for that kind of work?
 

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Apart from the cost of the photo’s license/rights, I have no clue what price to ask for the time it will take me to find the photos that the publisher wants to use.
Is there something standard that’s being asked for that kind of work?
It's called "photo research," and there is no standard. Just as there is no standard for "how much does a photographer charge?" It all depends on the photographer's personal situation/cost of doing business/level of expertise/etc.

So if you are doing the photo research yourself, you will need to ask yourself how much to charge per hour (your cost of doing business + profit), and bill the publisher for the hours worked.
 
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