poorly timed os update

[nhocile]

Hi friends, I came here to say that I missed the Monterey train. Nothing I use is supported for Ventura yet, and there's no way to go back to an older os or purchase with Monterey from apple, had to return 🤦‍♀️

Hoping this helps someone avoid wasting their time ☮️

 

[hoo-man-b-ing]

I’m not on my Mac, but Monterey still appears in the App Store and Apple updated a support document just last month describing how to install Monterey. Plus there are multiple pages on how to go from Ventura to Monterey.

And I’m not sure I understand “nothing I use is supported for Ventura yet.” Unless you‘re experiencing broken functionality (and it might be helpful to future readers for you to list what app/functionality), I would expect that most apps “just work.”

 

[Lihp8270]

I’m not on my Mac, but Monterey still appears in the App Store and Apple updated a support document just last month describing how to install Monterey. Plus there are multiple pages on how to go from Ventura to Monterey.

And I’m not sure I understand “nothing I use is supported for Ventura yet.” Unless you‘re experiencing broken functionality (and it might be helpful to future readers for you to list what app/functionality), I would expect that most apps “just work.”

You can’t go back to Monterey if you buy a new mac that comes with Ventura.

You can’t go to an OS older than the version that was installed when new.

 

[hoo-man-b-ing]

You can’t go back to Monterey if you buy a new mac that comes with Ventura.

You can’t go to an OS older than the version that was installed when new.

Interesting. My understanding is that is true if that Mac can only be run on Ventura (though all current Macs can currently run on Monterey.)

For Apple Silicon based devices you would need a Monterey USB installer as described here and go with a scorched Earth policy. While I haven’t personally tested this, Apple’s own support documents indicate that this should work (again, assuming your device can’t only run on Ventura).

 

[nhocile]

The kind folks at apple tried, but you can't go backwards if Ventura comes pre installed, and you can't order a machine with Monterey.

 

[chrfr]

The kind folks at apple tried, but you can't go backwards if Ventura comes pre installed, and you can't order a machine with Monterey.

There are no Macs that require Ventura right now even though Apple has switched to shipping computers with Ventura preinstalled. It is absolutely possible to downgrade from Ventura to Monterey, but it may require doing a DFU mode restore, which is data destructive.

 

[nhocile]

For the average Jane like me and others reading this.. I spoke with multiple apple tech support over the phone and in person, they worked on it, and confirmed it’s not possible. That’s my experience 🤷‍♀️

 

[chabig]

What app do you use that won't run on Ventura?

 

[nhocile]

video/audio, there are too many to list. nobody in a professional field can update right away, ever.

 

[Feek]

video/audio, there are too many to list. nobody in a professional field can update right away, ever.

This is blatantly not the case.

 

[EugW]

For the average Jane like me and others reading this.. I spoke with multiple apple tech support over the phone and in person, they worked on it, and confirmed it’s not possible. That’s my experience 🤷‍♀️

They are wrong. You can install Monterey on Mac Studio, even if it ships with Ventura. However, it has to be a clean install.

 

[nhocile]

Who from this forum can I hire to do this 😂

This is my experience doing things by the book with apple. You’ve been warned 🤦‍♀️

 

[ponzicoinbro]

What app do you use that won't run on Ventura?

For me the biggest issue is Capture One that takes ages to support newest systems and they really discourage upgrading until they are ready.

 

[chrfr]

Who from this forum can I hire to do this 😂

This is my experience doing things by the book with apple. You’ve been warned 🤦‍♀️

This is the process:

Restore macOS Firmware on an Apple Silicon M1 Mac + Boot to DFU Mode

Need to install macOS on an Apple Silicon Mac? I will show you how to boot into Boot to DFU Mode + Use Apple Configurator 2 to restore macOS!

mrmacintosh.com

You'll need another Mac, Apple Configurator, the 12.6.1 ipsw file, and a USB-C cable.

 

[nhocile]

^ exactly why I’ll wait for the software to catch up. To each their own!

 

[Lihp8270]

This is the process:

Restore macOS Firmware on an Apple Silicon M1 Mac + Boot to DFU Mode

Need to install macOS on an Apple Silicon Mac? I will show you how to boot into Boot to DFU Mode + Use Apple Configurator 2 to restore macOS!

mrmacintosh.com

You'll need another Mac, Apple Configurator, the 12.6.1 ipsw file, and a USB-C cable.

So you can downgrade so long as you have another £1k for a second machine?

 

[EugW]

This is the process:

Restore macOS Firmware on an Apple Silicon M1 Mac + Boot to DFU Mode

Need to install macOS on an Apple Silicon Mac? I will show you how to boot into Boot to DFU Mode + Use Apple Configurator 2 to restore macOS!

mrmacintosh.com

You'll need another Mac, Apple Configurator, the 12.6.1 ipsw file, and a USB-C cable.

This is not necessary. You can use a USB installer.

For the others here, @chrfr's way is the most complete way as it downgrades both the OS and the recovery partition.

However, using a USB flash drive installer will allow you do to the install without a second machine, but only will downgrade the OS. The recovery partition will remain the last installed version. This in itself is not a big deal because it won't affect the version of macOS you're running, but it means that if you ever have to use the recovery partition to reinstall macOS, it will only be what's on the recovery partition. ie. If you have Ventura on your machine your recovery partition will also be Ventura. If you then use the USB installer method to downgrade to Monterey, you will have Monterey installed as your OS, but the recovery partition will be Ventura. This doesn't affect the Monterey install, but if you every need to reinstall macOS from the recovery partition, the only option it will give you is to install Ventura. (However, in that case, you can use the USB installer again if you want to reinstall Monterey.)

So you can downgrade so long as you have another £1k for a second machine?

See above, or below.

 

[chrfr]

This is not necessary. You can use a USB installer.

For the others here, @chrfr's way is the most complete way as it downgrades both the OS and the recovery partition.

However, using a USB flash drive installer will allow you do to the install without a second machine, but only will downgrade the OS. The recovery partition will remain the last installed version.

This is all correct. The other advantage of doing DFU restore is the sheer speed of it, which is the primary reason I go that route when I’m restoring or downgrading the OS on a Mac. (Yes, I do this with regularity at work.)
Doing a DFU restore will also downgrade the Mac’s firmware to match the OS you‘re installing, in case you’d had a beta on the computer but want to go back to a release version.

 

[JMStearnsX2]

You can’t go back to Monterey if you buy a new mac that comes with Ventura.

You can’t go to an OS older than the version that was installed when new.

If the computer originally came with an earlier OS, as is the case with the Mac Studio, you can. I work in IT, and this is possible.