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MacMan988

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I've been using VPNs for some time and start to wonder which of the above technologies (Private Relay vs VPN) offers better privacy protection (specially in case if you do not want your ISP to find out your online activities)?

If we assume that both Apple and the VPN service provider are providing an honest service and look at those two technologies from a pure technological perspective, which one do you think is better?


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Aggedor

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I think I read recently that the answer is always VPN, because Private Relay isn't actually a real VPN (whatever that might mean technically). If you use a good, trustworthy VPN (as you call it, an "honest service" - I use Private Internet Access, which doesn't log anything), then that's your best bet.

FWIW, I've never actually been able to get Private Relay to work anyway. Even with my VPN off, my Private Relay settings just say "Some of your system settings prevent Private Relay from working". I have no idea what those system settings may be!
 
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I think I read recently that the answer is always VPN, because Private Relay isn't actually a real VPN (whatever that might mean technically). If you use a good, trustworthy VPN (as you call it, an "honest service" - I use Private Internet Access, which doesn't log anything), then that's your best bet.

FWIW, I've never actually been able to get Private Relay to work anyway. Even with my VPN off, my Private Relay settings just say "Some of your system settings prevent Private Relay from working". I have no idea what those system settings may be!
I use PIA and have never been able to get PR to work either, with or without PIA turned off. I think there is something in the downloaded PIA software that trips up PR. I haven't gone through the trouble of uninstalling PIA to see if I could get it to work, but maybe someone else has. For me, I'm fine with PIA when I'm away from home so I'm not motivated to troubleshoot the issue further.
 
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MacMan988

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I use PIA and have never been able to get PR to work either, with or without PIA turned off. I think there is something in the downloaded PIA software that trips up PR. I haven't gone through the trouble of uninstalling PIA to see if I could get it to work, but maybe someone else has. For me, I'm fine with PIA when I'm away from home so I'm not motivated to troubleshoot the issue further.

I use ExpressVPN and PR works fine when the VPN is turned off. But as soon as it is turned on, I get a notification saying that PR is unavailable.
 

tennisproha

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Private Relay offers more privacy than a VPN. With a VPN, you have to trust the VPN provider to not log your data. With iCloud Private Relay, Apple and its relay partners are not able to log your data because the proxies are blind.

The thesis linked above is interesting because it points out some of the holes in Apple's implementation, which Apple should patch, but it doesn't have a material impact on the privacy of your data.
 
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q3anon

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I've been using VPNs for some time and start to wonder which of the above technologies (Private Relay vs VPN) offers better privacy protection (specially in case if you do not want your ISP to find out your online activities)?

If we assume that both Apple and the VPN service provider are providing an honest service and look at those two technologies from a pure technological perspective, which one do you think is better?


Thanks!
When comparing an honest VPN provider to Apple Private Relay, the preference largely depends on the specific use case and requirements:

Apple Private Relay

Advantages:

1. Ease of Use: Integrated seamlessly into the Apple ecosystem, requiring minimal setup for users.
2. Privacy: Uses a dual-hop architecture to separate IP address and browsing activity, enhancing privacy by preventing any single entity from seeing both your IP address and your web activity.
3. Performance: Generally optimized for performance within Apple’s ecosystem, potentially leading to better speed and reliability for Apple device users.

Limitations:
1. Limited Scope: Only available for Safari browsing and certain apps on Apple devices. It does not provide full device-wide protection.
2. Regional Restrictions: Not available in all countries due to regulatory constraints.
3. Customization: Limited in terms of configuration options compared to traditional VPNs.

VPN Provider

Advantages:

1. Comprehensive Coverage: Provides device-wide protection, covering all internet traffic, not just specific browsers or apps.
2. Flexibility: Supports a wide range of devices and operating systems, not limited to Apple products.
3. Customization: Offers various features such as server selection, protocols, kill switch, and more, allowing for tailored security and performance settings.

Limitations:
1. Complexity: Can require more technical knowledge to set up and configure properly.
2. Single Entity Trust: Requires trust in the VPN provider not to log or misuse data, as they can see both IP addresses and browsing activity.
3. Performance: Potential for slower speeds due to encryption and routing traffic through distant servers.

Preference:

- For General Users: If you are primarily using Apple devices and are looking for a straightforward, easy-to-use solution for enhanced privacy when browsing, Apple Private Relay is a convenient choice.
- For Advanced Users or Non-Apple Ecosystem: If you require comprehensive protection for all your internet traffic, use a variety of devices and operating systems, or need advanced features and customization, an honest VPN provider would be more suitable.

Ultimately, the choice depends on your specific needs regarding privacy, ease of use, device compatibility, and the level of control you want over your internet traffic.

My choice:

Given the assumption that both Apple Private Relay and a VPN provider are honest, my preference would lean towards an honest VPN provider. Here’s why:

1. Comprehensive Coverage: A VPN provides protection for all internet traffic on a device, not just browsing activity in Safari or select apps. This is particularly important for someone who uses a variety of applications and services that require secure connections.

2. Flexibility and Customization: VPNs offer more options for server locations, allowing users to choose specific countries for accessing region-restricted content. They also provide various settings for encryption protocols and additional features like a kill switch, which can enhance security.

3. Cross-Platform Support: VPNs are available for multiple operating systems and devices, not just Apple products. This makes them a better fit for users who work in mixed-device environments or who might switch platforms.

4. Advanced Privacy and Security: With a reputable VPN provider, users get advanced privacy features and robust security measures, often including malware protection, ad-blocking, and more. This can be critical for those with heightened security needs.

While Apple Private Relay is excellent for its ease of use and seamless integration into the Apple ecosystem, the broader coverage and versatility of a good VPN provider make it my preferred choice.

My dilemma:

I don’t trust anyone! 😂
 
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tennisproha

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There’s no such thing as an “honest VPN provider”. VPNs system-wide privacy is an illusion. The only thing that offers more privacy than iCloud Private Relay is Tor.
 
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