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Quark beta screenshot... oh yeah.
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Quark is already to late to play the OS X game. InDesign is making it's way into more and more print houses. Now let Quark bleed...
Don't count Quark out just yet...
Indesign is indeed a better app and obviously integrates better into a production pipeline using other Adobe products, but so many companies rely on Quark on a daily basis that they won't switch because they'd rather stick to something they know works. Quark will still be around for years... on OS9 and X.
Hopefully this kind of software loyalty will work for Emagic/Apple's new strategy and we'll see a lot of PC Logic users coming over to Mac!
Indesign is indeed a better app and obviously integrates better into a production pipeline using other Adobe products, but so many companies rely on Quark on a daily basis that they won't switch because they'd rather stick to something they know works. Quark will still be around for years... on OS9 and X.
Hopefully this kind of software loyalty will work for Emagic/Apple's new strategy and we'll see a lot of PC Logic users coming over to Mac!
Re: Don't count Quark out just yet...
I read an interesting article on a pro-Wintel Norwegian computer website a couple of days ago. Of course, they complained and b*tched about Logic not beeing available for the Wintel platform anymore, but several of the people they interviewed were considering buying a Mac, rather than sticking with Winblows...
As for Quark, yes their userbase is quite strong, and many are afraid to switch. That's the only reason why Quark can announce version 5.0 without OS X support. But many firms and freelance designers have been pissed with Quark for quite some time already (really bad support, few and costy upgrades). Quark cannot continue to make fun of their costumers forever. With more and more print houses embrasing PDF, InDesign will hopefully become the new standard. Since most graphic designers already know several of the other Adobe apps, and since InDesign supports importing Quark documents, and supports Quark keyboard shortcuts, the transition will not be that hard either.... If Adobe could release a cocoa based «passport» version of InDesign, I would never look back!
I read an interesting article on a pro-Wintel Norwegian computer website a couple of days ago. Of course, they complained and b*tched about Logic not beeing available for the Wintel platform anymore, but several of the people they interviewed were considering buying a Mac, rather than sticking with Winblows...
As for Quark, yes their userbase is quite strong, and many are afraid to switch. That's the only reason why Quark can announce version 5.0 without OS X support. But many firms and freelance designers have been pissed with Quark for quite some time already (really bad support, few and costy upgrades). Quark cannot continue to make fun of their costumers forever. With more and more print houses embrasing PDF, InDesign will hopefully become the new standard. Since most graphic designers already know several of the other Adobe apps, and since InDesign supports importing Quark documents, and supports Quark keyboard shortcuts, the transition will not be that hard either.... If Adobe could release a cocoa based «passport» version of InDesign, I would never look back!
QuarkXPress, somehow managing to stay ugly, even in Beautiful Aqua.
What a bunch of crap! I am speechless and mortified at how idiotic the Quark Company is.
VIVA InDESIGN!
It ROCKS so HARD. And remember, I run my business on ID.... not some 16 year old designing brochures for the neighborhood cat groomer.
What a bunch of crap! I am speechless and mortified at how idiotic the Quark Company is.
VIVA InDESIGN!
It ROCKS so HARD. And remember, I run my business on ID.... not some 16 year old designing brochures for the neighborhood cat groomer.
Hmm...what kind of business? I'm a budding graphic designer who just graduated from Duquesne University, and I am currently looking for a job. Do you have any openings? I live in Swissvale and currently have my resume ready. If not your company, do you know of any others who might be hiring in the area?
Thanks.
-Pete
Thanks.
-Pete
Hey. I'd be interested in seeing some of your stuff. I do design... and sometimes use freelancers, but am not in the position to hire as of yet.
You could IM if you like. It's on my profile
Quark Screwed HAHAHAHAHA
I love it. It is nice to know that there are people out there that hate Quark as much as I do. Since I have switched to InDesign, my production time has dropped 1/3. I love hotkeys. Quark lacks hot keys. InDesign has all the familiar hotkeys and paradigms that other Adobe programs have. I decree...Quark sucks!
Oh yeah, did I mention LAYERS! Die Qiark Die!
I love it. It is nice to know that there are people out there that hate Quark as much as I do. Since I have switched to InDesign, my production time has dropped 1/3. I love hotkeys. Quark lacks hot keys. InDesign has all the familiar hotkeys and paradigms that other Adobe programs have. I decree...Quark sucks!
Oh yeah, did I mention LAYERS! Die Qiark Die!
Re: Quark Screwed HAHAHAHAHA
lol.
I just got Illustrator 10 and have absolutly no idea what to do with it.
lol.
I just got Illustrator 10 and have absolutly no idea what to do with it. 
I'm sorry, but I hope Quark burns in hell! They had the gall to release 5.0 not only horribly late, but AFTER most of us had transitioned to OS X! What a joke! I truly hope Adobe takes over with InDesign. We've been too masochistic waiting for Quark to get their act together for too long.
Still Angry
Just wanted to come back and tell Quark to die and burn in hell some more.
Oh yeah, one more thing, LAYERS!!!!!!!
Just wanted to come back and tell Quark to die and burn in hell some more.
Oh yeah, one more thing, LAYERS!!!!!!!
Re: Still Angry
well at least u didn't give PageSucker a good review...
anyway...I haven't even gone to 5.0 yet...still on 4.11....I'd take Quark over anything else any day....
well at least u didn't give PageSucker a good review...
anyway...I haven't even gone to 5.0 yet...still on 4.11....I'd take Quark over anything else any day....
Re: Re: Still Angry
until you try InDesign. i bet you'd switch. Liza switched...
Originally posted by eyelikeart
well at least u didn't give PageSucker a good review...
anyway...I haven't even gone to 5.0 yet...still on 4.11....I'd take Quark over anything else any day....
until you try InDesign.
i bet you'd switch. Liza switched...Lets all finally put Quark to rest in Hell! We're talking about software that just now with the latest version has got layers as a new feature, still doesn't have multiple undos, is lacking of useful keyboard shortcuts, and needs a million plug-ins to be a complete program! Please everyone in the print industry switch to Indesign already! Its a million years ahead of Quark in features and ease of use!
Good point, Dongmin. Without competition the pace of innovation slows. No excuse for the extremely slow port process to make Quark OSX native, and this may be their death knell as the dominant Apple print production software package. And yes, provided the screenshot isn't a fake, it IS ugly and still very OS9sh.
I interfaced with print shops in my last job as sales/mktg manager for a small publishing concern. Print shops are all married to Quark and file incompatabilites are probably their #1 productivity drain, period. Most shops now switch hit between Quark and InDesign but are skittish about it, and if you hand them a project done in Quark they breathe a small sigh of relief.
This is not to say anything negative about InDesign. I have never used it, but I am assuming that the integration between Photoshop, Illustrator, PageMaker, Acrobat and InDesign makes it an extremely appealing option--and likely the platform of the future. But make no mistake--there will be resistance.
I interfaced with print shops in my last job as sales/mktg manager for a small publishing concern. Print shops are all married to Quark and file incompatabilites are probably their #1 productivity drain, period. Most shops now switch hit between Quark and InDesign but are skittish about it, and if you hand them a project done in Quark they breathe a small sigh of relief.
This is not to say anything negative about InDesign. I have never used it, but I am assuming that the integration between Photoshop, Illustrator, PageMaker, Acrobat and InDesign makes it an extremely appealing option--and likely the platform of the future. But make no mistake--there will be resistance.
My first taste of the graphics world was with Adobe products, and I have use them all ever since. They are simply the best and most productive programs available. InDesign v Quark? There are many issues. Quark is an industrial strength program. Ugly - yes, Reliable - yes, Industry Standard - yes. I have to agree with D*I*S_Frontman. The bottom line for print houses is productivity, and Quark produces. I think we (macrumors) represent the minority, and to date, I know of very few print houses that are running OSX for full output.
I have been tinkering with OSX since its introduction and will be incouraging my office to spend the money to upgrade my Mac with all OSX versions of software as soon as Jaguar is released. I have to contend with an NT network and am the only Mac user in the building - annoying.
I have used Adobe Illustrator 6 out of 7 days a week for almost a ten years, and it is my all time favourite program. Photoshop - I feel like you can keep looking deeper into that program forever. Acrobat - is clearly the way of the future and just so cool. Pagemaker - what a piece of ****. Why did it take soooo long for Adobe to cross the line? InDesign - I have been watching its progress closely, and the latest version is very very nice, but I can't help but think that although it integrates into the other Adobe products like a dream, it is a replication of Quark in terms of overall function (with many sweet additions) but just doesn't cut it. I know the Adobe feel like the back of my hand, but it is simply more difficult to do basic formatting with InDesign. I think it is becasue they have included too many tools and options. The true greatness of Quark is its simplicity. There is only a hand fool of tools. It is just a layout and output program and that is all it does. The fusion of features between Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign has, in my opinion, made them very verbose. As with the iMac - each element should be true to itself. Illustrator does not need to be a multipage program - that is why they make InDesign.
I have just implemeted InDesign on all the PC's in the design room, and I just cannot get things done as quickly as with Quark. As for quickkeys - Quark is the quick keys king of programs, you just have to know them.
Quark needs to produce the goods with this next version for OSX. They have an arrogant feeling about them and always have. They have taken their time, but thats what they should have done. They have an entire Mac dominated industry to deliver too, so they cannot afford to **** it up. InDesign has had many rushed releases over the last few years and in some areas they have left Quark for dead, but I cannot see InDesign sending Quark to hell in any great hurry.
I have been tinkering with OSX since its introduction and will be incouraging my office to spend the money to upgrade my Mac with all OSX versions of software as soon as Jaguar is released. I have to contend with an NT network and am the only Mac user in the building - annoying.
I have used Adobe Illustrator 6 out of 7 days a week for almost a ten years, and it is my all time favourite program. Photoshop - I feel like you can keep looking deeper into that program forever. Acrobat - is clearly the way of the future and just so cool. Pagemaker - what a piece of ****. Why did it take soooo long for Adobe to cross the line? InDesign - I have been watching its progress closely, and the latest version is very very nice, but I can't help but think that although it integrates into the other Adobe products like a dream, it is a replication of Quark in terms of overall function (with many sweet additions) but just doesn't cut it. I know the Adobe feel like the back of my hand, but it is simply more difficult to do basic formatting with InDesign. I think it is becasue they have included too many tools and options. The true greatness of Quark is its simplicity. There is only a hand fool of tools. It is just a layout and output program and that is all it does. The fusion of features between Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign has, in my opinion, made them very verbose. As with the iMac - each element should be true to itself. Illustrator does not need to be a multipage program - that is why they make InDesign.
I have just implemeted InDesign on all the PC's in the design room, and I just cannot get things done as quickly as with Quark. As for quickkeys - Quark is the quick keys king of programs, you just have to know them.
Quark needs to produce the goods with this next version for OSX. They have an arrogant feeling about them and always have. They have taken their time, but thats what they should have done. They have an entire Mac dominated industry to deliver too, so they cannot afford to **** it up. InDesign has had many rushed releases over the last few years and in some areas they have left Quark for dead, but I cannot see InDesign sending Quark to hell in any great hurry.
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I tried in[ept]design back when I was in prepress, and it blew... Quark did everything we told it to and didn't b*tch at us at all. I just want to get a copy of Quark that will run native under OS X... I hope that they can release a patch/update that will allow it to run native, that would be a smart move.
Originally posted by Moxiemike
until you try InDesign.
I tried in[ept]design back when I was in prepress, and it blew... Quark did everything we told it to and didn't b*tch at us at all. I just want to get a copy of Quark that will run native under OS X... I hope that they can release a patch/update that will allow it to run native, that would be a smart move.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Still Angry
The Quark Company? Smart? Never.
heehee.
I agree that Quark is easier on prepress people, simply because it's what most know. My printshop hated ID until they familiarized themselves with it--thanks to me.
The Quark Company? Smart? Never.
heehee.
I agree that Quark is easier on prepress people, simply because it's what most know. My printshop hated ID until they familiarized themselves with it--thanks to me.