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Rant: I'm tired of hardware/software leapfrogging!

Watermonkey

Watermonkey

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Oct 27, 2006
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Ok. Maybe this is just a less-than-sober rant session, but I bought my 17" laptop seven months ago expecting it to be compatable with the current OS. Now, from what I'm reading, and from what I'm experiencing, I'm starting to realise that Apple is releasing hardware that isn't seeing its potential until the next major OS release in October! How is that helping me now? It's like buying a fast supercar but the super fuel needed to see its potential realised is months away!!!! It's all Apples's fault for dedicating so much of their resources to that god-damned iphone!!!! I HATE IPHONE!!!!


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Watermonkey, you're not making sense. The OS in October will be better in most respects compared with Tiger, yet you complain? Assuming you were happy with Tiger and the 17" machine when you bought it, why should you be upset when Apple improves on this? If they didn't they'd soon go bankrupt.
 
mkrishnan said:
What is it about the hardware that can't be exploited in Tiger? 64-bit? So you can edit 4GB image files? You're too drunk for that. :D
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A lot of the smaller apps will utilise both cores, and so the machine will have to do less core management calculations, meaning instant open mail.app etc :)
 
psychofreak said:
A lot of the smaller apps will utilise both cores, and so the machine will have to do less core management calculations, meaning instant open mail.app etc :)
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Is there a dramatic difference in this, even for two core processors, in Leopard? I thought that the big differences mostly came from the computers with a lot more cores than that.
 
Watermonkey said:
Ok. Maybe this is just a less-than-sober rant session, but I bought my 17" laptop seven months ago expecting it to be compatable with...
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wha? it's still compatible with everything. it should work fine.

that's sort of like me splurging on a new PC for gaming and then going all like OMG I CANT USE IT UNTIL VISTA COMES OUT BECAUSE ITS TOO POWERFUL RIGHT NOW AND XP CANT HANDLE IT ZOMG a few months ago. What's the point? This happens all the goddamn time?

it's not like apple made the machines so you can only run leopard on them. It's not like Apple intentionally crippled Tiger.
 
mkrishnan said:
Is there a dramatic difference in this, even for two core processors, in Leopard? I thought that the big differences mostly came from the computers with a lot more cores than that.
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I think there will be a noticeable difference for the small apps. I think that (like TextEdit now, you will be able to open mail, address book, font book etc. instantly)
 
Would you rather the computer get exponentially slower with each new software release? Because that's how it usually works....
 
Perhaps I wasn't clear, so let me spell it out, in a manner of speaking:

My wife just bought a 15", 2.4/160/2 SR stock MBP with LCD High Res (1440x900) and her eyes hurt after looking at it for just a little while. Everyone's saying that there's some kind of resolution fix that's in Leopard. Right? If Leopard was released on time with this SR chipset (which is, I might add, seemingly WAY faster then my MBP which is only seven months old) then the resolution issues, in theory, would not be an issue, but would involve a simple tweak in the OS. Now, this hardware is released months before the software that's needed to make it useable. My wife's going to return her very first (and possibly only) Mac because she can't use the thing! It's got other problems too, like that flaky latch, and it just seems cheap... On another point, I just realised her monitor actually has a lower pixel density per square inch then mine does, yet she says my monitor is a little easier on her eyes then the 15". According to my calculations, the 17" actually has approx. 1.764M pixels which comes to 13,363.6/in(2) whereas the 15" only has 1.296M pixels and that's 11,989/in(2)! So what is it about her 15" monitor that makes it unbareable to read for any amount of time compared to the monitors on the PC (Dell and Sony) laptops she's been using up to this point? I find I have to increase font size on the 17" regularly and even wear reading glasses on occassion when using this for extended periods of time, but mostly it's tolerable.

Am I coming in more clearly now?
 
Patience is a virtue.....

Just because it's coming out late doesn't mean that your notebook is of poor quality, it just means that there's something better coming down the road. In your case, it will be a signifigant improvement. Yet at the current time, there are a lot of people using that same laptop without complaints of that nature. There are also a lot of people (like me :D ) who would love to have that notebook. It's a great machine and it'll only get better with 10.5!
 
In the 28 years I have been working in the computer industry, hardware has always led software. Look at the time difference between the release of the 32 bit 386 processor, and a 32 bit version of Windows. It was years! Your entire post is stupid. You are just here to dump on Macs. Well, you are not very good at it...pitiful actually.

Have a nice Sunday!
 
SMM said:
In the 28 years I have been working in the computer industry, hardware has always led software. Look at the time difference between the release of the 32 bit 386 processor, and a 32 bit version of Windows. It was years! Your entire post is stupid. You are just here to dump on Macs. Well, you are not very good at it...pitiful actually.

Have a nice Sunday!
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Don't you tell me what I'm here for egomaniac! I've owned and loved Macs most of my life, I don't have a real complaint except for the piss-poor screen on my 17" C2D MBP and I don't have a problem with the OS. My wife, with her screen res issue on her new 15" is the one with the problem and if Apple didn't dedicate resources to developement on the stupid iphone (which is going to be a total loser, btw) then 10.5 would've been released at about the same time as the laptop she's having issues with potentially solving the screen issue for her. I'm not here to dump on Apple, but I'm not going to govel and appologize for them either! What kind of idiot appologizes for a company they don't have any allegience to and certainly has no allegience to them?
 
watermonkey: wow, you really weren't kidding when you labeled it a rant. in my mind, veins are bulging out of your forehead and you have specks of spit on the sides of your mouth. :)

but in all seriousness, i don't think your argument is valid/justified. here my reasoning:

your idea that the resolution is a problem is not valid. the resolution of the screen is a personal preference and there are plenty of websites that document the differences between 1440x900 and 1280x800 and 1680x1050.

you and your wife did not buy a "hi-res" screen hi-res is 1920x1200. you guys bought a standard macbook pro. in fact, the 15" apple notebooks have been at this resolution SINCE OCTOBER 2005

(reference: https://www.macrumors.com/2005/10/19/apple-releases-new-powerbooks/)

Dell has had 1920x1200 on the 15" widescreen for years. It was up to each consumer to select what was best for them. It's not like apple kept the resolutions a secret.

Resolution independence is meant for 24" and 30" screens and so forth.

I don't think you can blame anyone but yourself that you chose a screen that is not suited for your needs. As a long time mac user, i would figure that you would be aware the differences between the different model.

so your idea that there should be a fix, should be reframed into an idea that YOU should be more aware of what YOU are buying. a 13" macbook screen has less dense resolution, while being cheaper. hopefully you are within the exchange period.
 
On a side note: can someone please explain to me what exactly resolution independence is, and what benefits it will have? I've heard the term being thrown around recently, and last time I tried to find out what it was, I ended up on some Apple Developer's website, and could make neither head nor tail of what they were going on about. :confused:
 
mkgm1 said:
On a side note: can someone please explain to me what exactly resolution independence is, and what benefits it will have? I've heard the term being thrown around recently, and last time I tried to find out what it was, I ended up on some Apple Developer's website, and could make neither head nor tail of what they were going on about. :confused:
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Good question see this Mac Guide I have created.

http://guides.macrumors.com/Resolution_Independence
 
Andrew, You're right in that the screen issue with that laptop has nothing to do with the resolution. The resolution was an assumption on my part. For whatever reason, though, it's hurting her eyes to look at and I don't see how I could've anticipated that. Other laptop screens don't cause her eyes to be sore for the rest of the day like this one does. Do you have an idea as to why this screen would cause eye fatigue and the others don't? I'd love to know. Meanwhile, we've obtained an RMA from Apple and they've agreed to wave the restock fee as well, so no loss. We'll wait and see when Apple can put a screen in their laptops that won't hurt her eyes, and I've talked her into buying a 17" when she does, probably after October with Leopard installed.
 
Watermonkey said:
Andrew, You're right in that the screen issue with that laptop has nothing to do with the resolution. The resolution was an assumption on my part. For whatever reason, though, it's hurting her eyes to look at and I don't see how I could've anticipated that. Other laptop screens don't cause her eyes to be sore for the rest of the day like this one does. Do you have an idea as to why this screen would cause eye fatigue and the others don't? I'd love to know. Meanwhile, we've obtained an RMA from Apple and they've agreed to wave the restock fee as well, so no loss. We'll wait and see when Apple can put a screen in their laptops that won't hurt her eyes, and I've talked her into buying a 17" when she does, probably after October with Leopard installed.
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i'm glad you are able to get the rma.

as for why it is hurting her eyes, i have a possible explanation.

the new 15" macbook pro that you got uses an LED backlight, which is the first time in Apple history that they have used an LED backlight. Previously, they have always used a CCFL backlight. also, no other manufacturer has LED backlit screen in such wide production right now. There's a Sony model, and a upcoming dell model, but nothing as mass-produced as the new macbook pros.

(reference - http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/01/22/next_gen_macbook_pro_to_shine_brighter.html)

so, if your 17" C2D doesn't give her problems, then it really could be the backlight. Some people are sensitive to fluorescent lighting, so light sensitivities are rare, but real.

if you can, try looking at the last revision of the 15" macbook pro. (2.33ghz). if it is ok for your wife, then i would say the backlight is the culprit. Unfortunately, LED backlight is way of the future, due to the ecological/battery life advantages.

good luck for you and your wife
 
Watermonkey said:
Everyone's saying that there's some kind of resolution fix that's in Leopard. Right? If Leopard was released on time with this SR chipset (which is, I might add, seemingly WAY faster then my MBP which is only seven months old) then the resolution issues, in theory, would not be an issue, but would involve a simple tweak in the OS. Now, this hardware is released months before the software that's needed to make it useable.
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Resolution independence is not a simple tweak in the OS.

Also one of the only ways your wife would benefit from it is if she was running things on a lower resolution on the MBP display, because it would look better, but the resolution-hurting-eyes theory has been thrown out already, so...
 
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