No offense but I really don't care. lol.
I'm happy where I'm at in life and that's what matters. I wasn't trying to be a pompous a**, know it all, or "I'm better than you are" by saying I have a degree. Not at all.
But look at it from this point of view as well. My friend, John W. (for his privacy), tried it out at a photo studio right out of high school. Cool. I was happy for him because he made it. He makes 17.75 an hour w/o a degree which is still good money and he's self taught. Now I work with John, after I graduated, and I have a degree. I'm teaching
him and he has a 4 year head start on me. And after 4 years he's gotten up to that 17.75. When I started, on my first day, with no other degrees or job history but my photography degree and business practices, I started out at 20 an hour with a raise every 6-9 months on review of my work.
True, what you said about you need artistic vision, but I'm sure I have that. I received outstanding portfolio from my photography school and awarded by Mamiya/Mac-on-Campus group on some of my images. I'm pretty sure I don't lack artistic vision.
I'm sorry that you don't feel that degrees means anything, it's your belief and it's cool, but looking at the facts
in my life and situations from where I live, degrees mean a lot to me and the business and people I work for. It shows that you have the know how and are backed up by not only your teachers but the institution you graduated from. It shows that you have the technical skills, the communications skills, and the artistic vision to make it out in the real world, the business world. Out of the 22 people that went into the last quarter with me when I graduated, only 10 actually were awarded a degree. The school I graduated from is really strict on who gets a degree. That's why they are in the top 5 in the United States along with New York Institute of Photography and Brooks Institute of Photography. They only let those that excel in that artistic vision and technical skill in photography graduate.
I agree with you though, and never said otherwise, that if you love to take photographs you are a photographer, etc. I love to come on this forum and see what people are doing, people that have never stepped foot inside a class on photography or photoshop. That is the coolest part to me, to see people doing so many great things! But if everyone could walk into a photography studio and become a photographer, everyone would be a professional (Direct Quote from Dave Witt). That's where a degree matters in the real world. John W., from above, worked for this studio for a year without pay! Basically an internship. I walked in after making an appointment with them, not using John as a reference, and brought my portfolio. I was hired pretty much on the spot
with pay from the start. Imagine how happy I was!
lol!
You know man, all in all, I'm really not arguing with you. I agree with you on almost everything you're saying. Degrees may not mean a lot to some, but they
do get you in the door and that's what counts. They also help you start out at a better pay because the business that hired you knows you're a professional. I've gotten an offer in San Francisco as an assistant director for a studio out there that I'm seriously considering. John and I both sent out a portfolio to them of our work. We both got a review letter back. Even though I only have about 2 years experience and he has around 6, they offered me the job. I felt bad about it,
, but you know, I had the degree and that's what they told me, when I called, that got me the job. If someone walked in off the street with no degree and a little, to even a lot, of background in commercial photography and got that assistant director job, I know I would be a little upset. So would my boss who's been working in photography for over 30 years.
I agree with you on almost everything. You make good points too. Have a good one.
~Crawn
P.S. Sure, if you want, but be prepared to pay for the photography's schools bill, the local college, AND the community college. I started taking college courses when I was 16.
Lol, and not to mention I'm back in that photo school taking refresher courses and going for another degree in portrait. Lol, another 50,000 here I come!