MP 7,1 Real world Afterburner performance (Adobe Apps)

[chfilm]

Hey,

so as it turns out, my 16c Mac Pro struggles in Adobe Premiere to play back just two streams of 2,8k Arri Alexa Prores 4444 in multicam.
It seriously stutters. I was shocked because in Resolve it plays back with no issues whatsoever, but issues with the audio mixing made it impossible to use Resolve on this job.

So now I once again find myself rendering proxies in premiere. Duuuuh.
I didn't find any proper benchmarks with Adobe Apps and Prores / Prores 444 to 422 downconversions.

Is there somebody here who is running this setup?

 

[deconstruct60]

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I didn't find any proper benchmarks with Adobe Apps and Prores / Prores 444 to 422 downconversions.

Is there somebody here who is running this setup?

Where is the tie in with Afterburner here ? [ The current thread title puts Afterburner at the core of the issue. ]

 

[chfilm]

Where is the tie in with Afterburner here ? [ The current thread title puts Afterburner at the core of the issue. ]

I'm wondering if AB really smooths things up in Premiere and speeds up prores->prores render times in media encoder.

 

[LeonPro]

As you have found out, it's not the Mac Pro that struggles but the ability of the software to harness the power of what's available.

This is the reason why I haven't invested in an AB because I use Adobe CC applications. And they seriously can't get their programming together to optimize both the multi-core and GPU power.

I don't have a clear cut answer if Adobe can now make use of AB. So joining this thread to see if someone has real-world experience.

 

[OkiRun]

Is this what you mean?

"After recently adding native support for ProRes RAW in Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects and Media Encoder, Adobe has added support for Apple’s Afterburner card in beta builds of Premiere Pro."

"Support for Afterburner is included in Premiere Pro, After Effects, and Media Encoder beta builds 14.3.0 and newer. Adobe says that the Metal renderer, which is the default renderer, must be used to support Apple Afterburner Card decoding acceleration."

Adobe Premiere Pro beta gains Apple Afterburner Card support on Mac Pro - 9to5Mac

After recently adding native support for ProRes RAW in Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects and Media Encoder, Adobe has added support...

9to5mac.com

 

[LeonPro]

I’m looking for real world performance as I said above. Adobe can claim “support” all they want the same way they claim suooort for multi core.

But real use case shows they can’t implement that properly compared to FCP and Resolve.

Unfortunately our Enterprise Adobe CC licensing is what’s keeping me from switching. Until users can show the benefit of AB in PPro, I’d rather invest in another GPU which I’m planning to do.

 

[OkiRun]

6:40 Mark in Video

Everyone's workflow is different but it is a piece of data ~

 

[chfilm]

6:40 Mark in Video

Everyone's workflow is different but it is a piece of data ~

thanks- so it does help!
Remains the question about actual Multicam editing.

 

[OkiRun]

thanks- so it does help!
Remains the question about actual Multicam editing.

Yes. I thought his workflow was rudimentary. Not typical of film industry editing.
The world is waiting for you to do it ?

 

[chfilm]

Yes. I thought his workflow was rudimentary. Not typical of film industry editing.
The world is waiting for you to do it ?

The AB was on Amazon for 1800 € the other day but it's gone now :/
I'll do it eventually but not sure when.

 

[randy85]

Hey,

so as it turns out, my 16c Mac Pro struggles in Adobe Premiere to play back just two streams of 2,8k Arri Alexa Prores 4444 in multicam.
It seriously stutters. I was shocked because in Resolve it plays back with no issues whatsoever, but issues with the audio mixing made it impossible to use Resolve on this job.

So now I once again find myself rendering proxies in premiere. Duuuuh.
I didn't find any proper benchmarks with Adobe Apps and Prores / Prores 444 to 422 downconversions.

Is there somebody here who is running this setup?

Hi there, I've got a 12 core 2019 Mac Pro and I just tested some multicam Alexa prores footage in Premiere.

I have 2 streams of Alexa 4K prores 4444 cutting completely smoothly at full quality. I don't yet have the Afterburner card, so I think something else must be bottlenecking your system. It should be no problem at all judging by my experience.

In fact I went back and tested 4 streams of 4k and that worked smoothly too.

What are your specs and what kind of storage is your media is on? If it's an external spinning drive that is most likely the culprit.

I have:
12 core cpu
192 GB ram
W5700XT

The footage is playing off a Promise Pegasus external RAID.

I ordered the Afterburner yesterday, so can let you know how it goes when it arrives.

 

[OkiRun]

Hi there, I've got a 12 core 2019 Mac Pro and I just tested some multicam Alexa prores footage in Premiere.

I have 2 streams of Alexa 4K prores 4444 cutting completely smoothly at full quality. I don't yet have the Afterburner card, so I think something else must be bottlenecking your system. It should be no problem at all judging by my experience.

In fact I went back and tested 4 streams of 4k and that worked smoothly too.

What are your specs and what kind of storage is your media is on? If it's an external spinning drive that is most likely the culprit.

I have:
12 core cpu
192 GB ram
W5700XT

The footage is playing off a Promise Pegasus external RAID.

I ordered the Afterburner yesterday, so can let you know how it goes when it arrives.

We run PR on 7,1 straight from internal OS 8tb (using desktop for location files). No issues with 4, 6, or 8k editing. Afterburner Card is supposed to be helping but there is no technical way to see how it is doing it in real-time editing.

 

[randy85]

We run PR on 7,1 straight from internal OS 8tb (using desktop for location files). No issues with 4, 6, or 8k editing. Afterburner Card is supposed to be helping but there is no technical way to see how it is doing it in real-time editing.

Nice, yes I think with fast storage is a big part of the equation with video editing.

The Afterburner is kind of a no brainer from my pov as I have over £50k invested in a camera that shoots prores, so I'm basing my entire workflow around it. With the prores decode taken care of, I can then use my other system resources to do realtime luts/effects/multitasking.

Excited to try it out.

 

[chfilm]

Hi there, I've got a 12 core 2019 Mac Pro and I just tested some multicam Alexa prores footage in Premiere.

I have 2 streams of Alexa 4K prores 4444 cutting completely smoothly at full quality. I don't yet have the Afterburner card, so I think something else must be bottlenecking your system. It should be no problem at all judging by my experience.

In fact I went back and tested 4 streams of 4k and that worked smoothly too.

What are your specs and what kind of storage is your media is on? If it's an external spinning drive that is most likely the culprit.

I have:
12 core cpu
192 GB ram
W5700XT

The footage is playing off a Promise Pegasus external RAID.

I ordered the Afterburner yesterday, so can let you know how it goes when it arrives.

This is so bizarre, I opened up premiere because I wanted to record a video for you just now, and now it also runs smooth like butter.

My storage can hardly be the bottleneck because it's an NVME SSD Raid 0 internally.
Also really everything else ran super well, ONLY the multicam clips were stuttering like crazy, even with Prores proxie files.

Any ideas what it could've been? It totally looked like a bug. There wasn't any software updates or so in the meantime though. Strange.

 

[randy85]

This is so bizarre, I opened up premiere because I wanted to record a video for you just now, and now it also runs smooth like butter.

My storage can hardly be the bottleneck because it's an NVME SSD Raid 0 internally.
Also really everything else ran super well, ONLY the multicam clips were stuttering like crazy, even with Prores proxie files.

Any ideas what it could've been? It totally looked like a bug. There wasn't any software updates or so in the meantime though. Strange.

Do you know what, I have similar experiences with Premiere all the time. I'm hoping Apple and Adobe are still ironing out the creases because my old iMac was comparatively consistent in its performance.

Glad to hear there's nothing too broken with your machine though!

 

[chfilm]

Do you know what, I have similar experiences with Premiere all the time. I'm hoping Apple and Adobe are still ironing out the creases because my old iMac was comparatively consistent in its performance.

Glad to hear there's nothing too broken with your machine though!

hmmm, it was the most bizarre really, stuttering for days and then earlier it stopped. Let’s see about tomorrow..