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Buadhai

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I have an Apple TV 4 (A1625 - 32GB). I need a new remote. The remote offered by Apple says:

"The Siri Remote (3rd generation) brings precise control to your Apple TV 4K."

But, I don't have an Apple TV 4K. Will this remote work with my Apple TV 4?

If so, why doesn't the product page say so?

If not, what remote should I buy?
 
One For All also do an AppleTV remote.
Thanks. That would be perfect for me. But, I live in Thailand and am still looking for someone who will ship here.

Edit: Turns out Amazon UK will ship to Thailand. Thanks again.
 
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I got email yesterday from Amazon UK notifying me that they are refunding my purchase because the carrier refused to accept the item for delivery to Thailand. No explanation as to why. The irony is that I bet that remote is manufactured in China less than 1000K of where I live. But, I can't buy one.

Thus my quest for a universal remote that works and that I can actually buy continues.
 
AppleTV tvOS can "learn" ANY universal remote... including the AUX mode of perhaps your existing TV remote or any other remote you have (even from old stuff you might not use anymore). Just fine any that has the relative small mix of functionality that AppleTV supports (which is about all of them). That's:
  • Up
  • Down
  • Left
  • Right
  • Select
  • Menu
  • Play
  • Pause
  • Stop
  • Rewind
  • Fast Forward
  • Chapter Previous
  • Chapter Next
  • Skip Ahead
  • Skip Back and
  • (I think there is also) Volume UP & DOWN (but don't recall that as clearly). I've since looked this up and see that it is it's own option in the tvOS menu "Volume via IR"
So if you find ANY remote with these buttons (disc player remotes often have all of these, even old VCRs, DVRs, etc), your Apple TV should be able to learn the signals it generates and then you can control it with one you might already own or any universal you might buy. If you have to buy one, just use the above list to help you look for one with that mix of buttons.
 
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I have done that with my existing Apple Remotes. The big drawback is that it doesn't do TV channel changing. So, even though the Apple Remote does turn on the TV and adjust the volume of the sound bar, it doesn't do channels, so you have to pick up a different remote to do that. The other thing it doesn't do is turn off the TV. So, another remote.

I have three Samsung TVs. HDMI ARC stopped working on all three.

On one Samsung TV I use a Logitech Harmony 650 (since discontinued) which does everything so you don't need another remote. Long after they were discontinued I managed to find one at a shop in Australia which I picked up on a visit to a friend who lives there.

On another, I've managed to get the original Samsung TV remote to do everything including control the Apple TV and the Samsung Sound Bar. The problem with this is that a few of the Apple TV functions are mapped to colored buttons on the remote which are difficult to remember: Is Apple TV "Menu" the red button or the blue button?

On another I use a Sofa Baton remote. The scroll wheel on that remote no longer functions, so I spent hours programming that remote so that no matter how the scroll wheel is set, the remote does everything you want it to do. This involved setting up many macros and reprogramming many of the buttons on the remote. The problem with the Sofa Baton is that the RF (?) signal is so narrow that you have to be sitting right in front of and close to the TV to get it to work properly. I did get a full refund from Sofa Baton when the scroll wheel failed.

I'd be very happy to find a single remote that I can buy in or from Thailand that works with TV, Sound Bar and Apple TV.

Finally, the reason for this post is that the Apple TV remote I often use in lieu of the kludgy Sofa Baton remote has started to fail. Since I have to spend money to replace it I was hoping to get some sort of universal remote instead.
 
There are no channels to change on AppleTV. But if you mean you want a remote that can also change channels when using other sources- such as a cable connection or cable-like streaming service- ANY remote (other than the AppleTV remote) will have channel (change) buttons.

In a typical universal remote, you'll have some "mode" buttons and one might be a button called cbl or sat (for cable or satellite). Put it in that mode programmed for that source (where you have channels) and buttons like channel change will change channels. When wanting to use AppleTV, a typical universal mode is AUX or STM/STR, and then the buttons that AppleTV can process will work with AppleTV. "Change channels" is not one but "up" & "down" is often used when streaming apps with apparent channels present a DVR-like grid of "what's on".

And again, AppleTV can do something different than how we traditionally set up any universal remote. It can "learn" the remote instead of having the remote learn AppleTV. So you can buy (or may have) ANY remote- ideally one with buttons to control disk/vcr type buttons too- set up its AUX or STRM button for any old disc/VCR/DVR and then use the "learn remote" features of AppleTV tvOS to learn the commands the remote generates when you push buttons that work with AppleTV. Technically, a button you push might be trying to tell as Toshiba DVD player (you don't own) to fast forward, but AppleTV "learn remote" will (be taught via AppleTV learning to) "see" that as "fast forward what user is watching on AppleTV." Clicking menu on that remote might be an infrared command for that Toshiba player to go to menu... but AppleTV will interpret it as show the AppleTV menu. Etc.

As to HDMI ARC "stop working" (I'm guessing you mean CEC functionality), I'd work through the possibilities. Have you:
  • restarted the TV(s) as each has its own computer inside that may have crashed? Restart here means unplug, wait a few minutes, plug it back in?
  • upgraded HDMI cables as devices like AppleTV "like" latest cable standards vs. perhaps years old ones?
  • checked connections to be sure wiring is correct, such as using TV HDMI in from AppleTV and eARC HDMI out to that soundbar?
  • tried switching HDMI ports to rule out just one bad port?
  • stripped out all links in the chain but just AppleTV and TV to see if CEC will work with those? If so, add one thing in at a time and test with each addition to see if some particular link "breaks" CEC. For example, add just the soundbar back in and check again. In other words, you are hunting for which piece of the chain is actually the culprit.
  • subbed in other sources using the same AppleTV cable just to narrow in on if the problem is TV, cable or device? If another device works fine through the same cable, you'll know you probably need to check settings in AppleTV because it is very likely why CEC is not working.
  • taken your AppleTV box to a friends house, temporarily connecting to their TV to see if HDMI CEC works with their TV? If it does, that would tell you your settings in AppleTV are right and your problem is more likely cable or TV at your home. If you take your own cable too, you can go ahead and test that out at the same time (theirs first, and then yours). If this points to your TV, try each HDMI port on your TV and, of course, go into the TV menus to be sure CEC functionally is turned on correctly.
The name of the game when some A/V feature used to work but doesn't now is testing through each variable to narrow in on where the actual problem lies. As is, it could be AppleTV, cable, TV, cable or even soundbar. When I see "stop working" I usually think a software update has altered settings that need to be put back to how they were or a standards update has overrun existing hardware, particularly cables. Sometimes, it's a simple as the dog or cat has chewed on the HDMI cable such that it still works but only partially. Sometimes, it's a power surge (lightning) has partially crashed some link in the chain's computing tech making some part not work right. Etc.
 
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Thank you for taking the time to write all that.

Here's the way I have all three Samsung TVs set up. The Apple TV HDMI port is connect to a TV HDMI port. Since ARC doesn't work, the TVs are connected to the sound bars with optical cables. When I first got the TVs I connected the ARC port on the TVs to the sound bar HDMI ports. That worked, until it didn't. I have spent hours and hours following various instructions online on how to get it working again. Nothing has ever worked permanently. The ARC might work for an hour, a day or a week and then I have to go through it all again. Since I switched to optical audio, I haven't had to mess with it at all. That ship has sailed. We are perfectly satisfied with the quality of the audio.

Before today I'd never heard of CEC. I looked it up. Maybe my TVs don't have it. The newest one is over ten years old.

If you look at various online forums, etc., you will find many people complaining that ARC stopped working on their Samsung TVs. Many speculate that it is a failure in the HDMI controller. I have no idea. Samsung has no comment.

What I (read "my wife") wants is for each TV to use the same type of remote in the same way. The remote should be able to control each device (ATV, TV, sound bar). Change channels on the TV. Change volume on the sound bar. Control the Apple TV. All this without having to select the device you're about to control.

I have partially achieved this with the Sofa Baton remote in our living room, the Samsung TV remote in our bedroom and the Logitech remote at our condo. One remote at each location controls all three devices. No need to select the sound bar when you change volume or select the TV when you want to change channels or select the Apple TV when you want to control it.

However we (read "my wife") are not happy that each location has a different type of remote. If I could buy the Logitech remote for a reasonable price I'd put one in each spot.

What I'm seeking is a remote that works as well as the Logitech remote in that it is easy to program and works with each device without having to select that device.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write all that.

Here's the way I have all three Samsung TVs set up. The Apple TV HDMI port is connect to a TV HDMI port. Since ARC doesn't work, the TVs are connected to the sound bars with optical cables. When I first got the TVs I connected the ARC port on the TVs to the sound bar HDMI ports. That worked, until it didn't. I have spent hours and hours following various instructions online on how to get it working again. Nothing has ever worked permanently. The ARC might work for an hour, a day or a week and then I have to go through it all again. Since I switched to optical audio, I haven't had to mess with it at all. That ship has sailed. We are perfectly satisfied with the quality of the audio.

Before today I'd never heard of CEC. I looked it up. Maybe my TVs don't have it. The newest one is over ten years old.

If you look at various online forums, etc., you will find many people complaining that ARC stopped working on their Samsung TVs. Many speculate that it is a failure in the HDMI controller. I have no idea. Samsung has no comment.

What I (read "my wife") wants is for each TV to use the same type of remote in the same way. The remote should be able to control each device (ATV, TV, sound bar). Change channels on the TV. Change volume on the sound bar. Control the Apple TV. All this without having to select the device you're about to control.

I have partially achieved this with the Sofa Baton remote in our living room, the Samsung TV remote in our bedroom and the Logitech remote at our condo. One remote at each location controls all three devices. No need to select the sound bar when you change volume or select the TV when you want to change channels or select the Apple TV when you want to control it.

However we (read "my wife") are not happy that each location has a different type of remote. If I could buy the Logitech remote for a reasonable price I'd put one in each spot.

What I'm seeking is a remote that works as well as the Logitech remote in that it is easy to program and works with each device without having to select that device.
What I’m getting from all that is it’s the Wife that’s the issue, get a new one of those and stick with the remotes you’ve got 🤣
 
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