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borgward

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Mid 2010 15" MacBook Pro i5 Aluminum running hot. Booted up in un air conditioned area - 95F. MacBook ran at 150F + shortly after booting up. Does it even have fans? Don't see any air inlet or outlets. Is it's aluminum case designed to work as a heat sink for cooling? Usually never runs hot.

Just booted in 80F room. Runs at 114.8F About same temp as my 2006 Dell laptop.
 

lyleschmitz

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That's a 13 year old computer. Have you replaced the fans or repasted the CPU at all? Thermal compound is probably dry as hell.
 
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lyleschmitz

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I wasn't using a Mac back then, but if it's anything like current ones it's located under/behind the screen on the hinge. They're very small. The reason I didn't switch to Mac until 2021 was due to their tendency to overheat.
 
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Queen6

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So it does have fans. Where are the air inlets and outlets?
At the rear of the notebook. Ambient air is drawn in at the centre, warm air is exhausted to the left and right. At this age the fans & heatsinks likely need cleaning if not done so by a previous owner. Hold off on new thermal paste until the cooling solution has been cleaned and you see the results.

I still have a well used 2011 15" it's thermal paste still performs, nor does it throttle even under full load. So no need to pull out the Logic Board to replace it. Is also possible to manually increase fan speed via an app, Macs Fan Control works well on most, however is somewhat dependant on the version of the OS other apps can be sourced. Also helps to elevate the rear a little to allow for greater airflow around the hottest part of the chassis.

This generation of MBP generally runs very hot so the temps are not surprising if anything fairly cool as these models can pass 200F under heavy load. Both fans run continuously at 2K RPM, however they wont spool up until the system is in the region of >180F.

FWIW my 2011 15" MBP (Quad Core) idles at around 110F with an ambient temp of 83F.

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borgward

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Never heard fans running. I cleaned the fan and cooling fins. Barely dirty. I am running Linux on it so suspect that has something to do with fans not or barely running will check with those folks. What should be temperature at 80F just idling after startup? What temperature are the fans supposed to turn on?
 

Queen6

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Never heard fans running. I cleaned the fan and cooling fins. Barely dirty. I am running Linux on it so suspect that has something to do with fans not or barely running will check with those folks. What should be temperature at 80F just idling after startup? What temperature are the fans supposed to turn on?
As you are running Linux all bets are off. On OSX/macOS the fans will run continuously at 2K. They will start to ramp up as the system passes 180F both are controlled individually by FW. At the base 2K the fans are inaudible, as they pass 4K the noise is noticeable. Idle at 80F in the region of 100F - 115F, much depends on the physical model & OS.

Mac's and how their cooling systems operate is very different to PC's, having numerous temp sensors and are designed to run at higher temperatures for the sake of a quiet user experience. Linux is likely OK interacting at the FW level, if the OS was unable to detect/see the sensors the fans would run at maximum RPM as they are PWM controlled.

I think in general your MBP is functioning correctly as Intel based Mac's by both HW & SW design run hotter than their PC counterparts. If your concerned about the cooling, try putting a heavy load on the CPU this should force the fans to ramp up. Worst that will happen is the CPU will shutdown due to over temp.

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borgward

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Thanks. Will remove the bottom cover, start the mac to observe if the fans are running. I realize having bottom cover off will probably affect air flow. Looks like I do not need to be concerned about the higher temperatures. Will give it a heavy load in a hot area too see if fans speed up at higher temps.
 

Queen6

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Thanks. Will remove the bottom cover, start the mac to observe if the fans are running. I realize having bottom cover off will probably affect air flow. Looks like I do not need to be concerned about the higher temperatures. Will give it a heavy load in a hot area too see if fans speed up at higher temps.
No harm to take a look, the fans are clearly audible past 4K. You'll need to saturate the CPU, video transcoding does the trick as can Terminal comands on maOS can run iterations of yes > dev/null & to load the CPU cores 100%. Should also work on some Linux distributions.

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iJest

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You should have the thermal paste replaced. It's probably nonexistent by now. That would keep it significantly cooler. And yes, making sure the fans are working is clearly a first step.
 

Queen6

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You should have the thermal paste replaced. It's probably nonexistent by now. That would keep it significantly cooler. And yes, making sure the fans are working is clearly a first step.
Better to see if it's actually overheating as the Logic Board has to be removed to re-paste the 2010 15" MBP. Given the temps reported it seems to be reasonable for it's age.
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My own 2011 15" MBP is still on stock paste and has no throttling tendency. Same as the 2010 15" the Late 2011 15" Logic Board is inverted and takes a good bit of work to get out. 2009-2012 Unibodies all run hot due to the design, nor would the temps radically drop as the FW will still run the CPU in the range of 98C (208F)

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Fishrrman

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Those 15" MBPs ran warm/hot even when new.
After 13 years, I reckon the fans need a cleaning out...
 
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Queen6

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Those 15" MBPs ran warm/hot even when new.
After 13 years, I reckon the fans need a cleaning out...
OP has cleaned the fans etc. The 2010's always ran hot, always will. This is just one of base Core i5's, the i7's ran hotter again 😂 I know with the 2011 15" MBP Apple did a lot of work on the firmware to tame the quad core CPU's ferocious heating tendency. Over the years Apple did a pretty good job, however all too soon marred by the mass failure of the Radeon dGPU...

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borgward

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I had the boot problems attributed to the Raedon GPU failure in my 27" i5 iMac. Many discussions about bad Raedon, major surgery. I booted a Linux Live DVD session and had had video. I next wiped OSX and did a clean OSX install over the internet. No GPU problems since November 2022. Must have been a driver.
 

Queen6

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A rather canned response mostly from back in the day;

I've owned a stock 2011 15" MBP from new and many others so feel I'm reasonably well versed; key is to keep the CPU/GPU as cool as reasonably practicable. That said, much will be dependent on your usage/workflow. Some practical things that can be done to reduce the systems temperature.

Being an owner & user of MacBook Pro's since the dawn of trees; Over the years the 15" & 16" MBP has frequently struggled with it's thermals, especially when an external display is connected as the dGPU switches on by default. Internal temperatures soar...

  1. Elevate the rear. Aluminium passive coolers generally work best as they help to wick away heat from the chassis. I have a pair of Rain Designs mStand's and a very hefty no name adjustable aluminium stand that could probably support a Mac Pro let alone an MBP given it's build 😂
  2. Increase base fan RPM to 3K or as much as you are comfortable with (MacsFanControl or SMC Fan Control).
  3. Limit the dGPU's usage with gSwitch or gfxCardStatus (need to verify model & OS compatibility, specific Intel Mac's).
  4. Use Safari where possible, other browsers can add more load to the system.
  5. Install an ad blocker AdGuard & Wipr works well.
  6. Swap out VLC for Movist as again it's a reduced load on CPU/GPU.
  7. Software in general, look for what can get the job done with the least load to the system.
  8. Powered coolers are very much a "mixed bag" when it comes to Mac portables. You need one that has a high capacity (100 CFM minimum) and preferably a large single fan. This can help to keep the internal fans below 4K which for many is good enough as often it's at this point and beyond where the fan noise becomes intrusive. Don't expect a powered cooler to impact internal temperature beyond a few degrees. Most powerful cooler I'm currently aware of is the IETs GT500, however I have no personal experience with the MBP.
  9. A small USB powered fan blowing across the keyboard can help those in warmer climates have a more comfortable typing experience.
  10. Older notebooks can benefit from cleaning of the cooling system, I use a USB rechargeable air blower. The fan blades can be fragile, so be mindful when using canned air.
  11. Replacing the thermal paste has been hit & miss over the years. some have had very positive results, some no improvement over stock or worse higher temperatures. Personally I would only do this with a Mac Portable that I can confirm was definitely running considerably hotter than stock & throttling. Above all you need to research, as not all TIM is equal, nor suitable for notebook's that run at such high temperature.
  12. If your MBP has a discrete GPU, it will fire up when an external display is connected by default, temperatures will rise rapidly.
  13. Consider a specific vertical stand when using an MPB in "Clamshell" mode allowing for greater circulation of air. Some recommend inverting the MBP in the stand with the exhaust at the top & intake at the bottom (2012 Retina's etc.).
The key to a cooler quieter life with a 15" & 16" MacBook Pro is multiple incremental changes that add up to reduce operating temperature. From my experience over the years if you're going to push a 15"/16" MBP hard the fans are going to max out fast, with associated heat & noise. Worse some models will heavily throttle, loosing much of the benefit of Intel's Turbo Boost technology. If you're using it with a moderate load life can be made far more tolerable. For the most part your MBP runs hot as that's how Apple designed it, that's the trade-off for thin & light and form over function in some cases.

The introduction of Apple Silicon is very much a game changer, equally these notebooks too can get hot when pushed hard for extended periods of time so can also benefit from some mitigation. The old adage still applies; it's easier to keep the notebook cool, than cool-down an already overly hot & heat-soaked chassis.

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Queen6

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I had the boot problems attributed to the Raedon GPU failure in my 27" i5 iMac. Many discussions about bad Raedon, major surgery. I booted a Linux Live DVD session and had had video. I next wiped OSX and did a clean OSX install over the internet. No GPU problems since November 2022. Must have been a driver.
Very likely. The whole Radeon dGPU debacle is just a "Black Hole" with countless thousands of responses here for the 15" MBP alone. My own 2011 15" MBP has survived this long after years of heavy professional use. My daughter using it as a PlayStation, now in it's latter years a media server. Think if the dGPU was going to fail on this one it would have done so years ago. Still it remains prudent to limit the Radeon's use.

At this point in time the 2011 owes me nothing :) I just held on to it as I didnt want to pass on or sell the MBP with a known HW issue...

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Never heard fans running. I cleaned the fan and cooling fins. Barely dirty. I am running Linux on it so suspect that has something to do with fans not or barely running will check with those folks. What should be temperature at 80F just idling after startup? What temperature are the fans supposed to turn on?
It seems that Linux is not "optimized" at all and running very hot in general. Booting Linux Mint xfce usb on my Late 2008 MacBook made it instantly the hottest it has ever been. I guess Linux is OK for the servers located in the basement as it helps drive the excess moisture out of the basement.
 
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WuMing2

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Elevate the rear. Aluminium passive coolers generally work best as they help to wick away heat from the chassis.
I use a prescription or sun glasses case, closed and in proper position, to raise the back of my MacBook Air. Surprisingly effective and always with me.
 
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Queen6

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I use a prescription or sun glasses case, closed and in proper position, to raise the back of my MacBook Air. Surprisingly effective and always with me.
At a push been known to use a couple of plastic bottle tops when on the road to raise the rear of the notebook's LOL. Once I picked up a few pair of these problem solved. They are available in multiple sizes, fit together and dont slide thx to the grippy rubber. There are also other risers that are about the size of a golf ball that splits in half to raise the rear.
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By simply elevating the rear of the notebook it makes for a reduction in temperature; allows for greater airflow, assists any convection effect, prevents the desk area from heating up and reflecting back to the notebook.

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WuMing2

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Plastic bottle tops never thought about them. Brilliant.

Prescription glasses case is ideal for me. About two inches thick, slightly soft plastic, bottom edge of laptop also somehow anchors to it when slid into position. When risen fan spinning is less frantic almost immediately.
 
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Queen6

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Plastic bottle tops never thought about them. Brilliant.

Prescription glasses case is ideal for me. About two inches thick, slightly soft plastic, bottom edge of laptop also somehow anchors to it when slid into position. When risen fan spinning is less frantic almost immediately.
They work in a pinch, but offer little to no grip on the majority of smooth surfaces. The commercial two piece risers if anything add grip which also a bonus, especially on glass surfaces which some hotels have :)

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borgward

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It seems that Linux is not "optimized" at all and running very hot in general. Booting Linux Mint xfce usb on my Late 2008 MacBook made it instantly the hottest it has ever been. I guess Linux is OK for the servers located in the basement as it helps drive the excess moisture out of the basement.
Made an inquiry about optimization. I am guessing Linux is not concerned about Mac aesthetics and probably dials in fan performance for optimum cooling regardless of noise. Will post results when I get them.
 
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I run Ubuntu on my 09 mbp, so c2d vs i-series and it runs well for DD tasks. Temps range from 80F to topping out with the gpu at 140-150F. I don’t keep this on my lap mind you. It sits on an active fan ONN cooler or passively cooled on an aluminum rain design M stand all day.

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Between the two it is still very quiet - a gentle hum which I find soothing. Anyways, I have not taken the time to repaste this unit yet as thermals are mostly reasonable for its light DD load although I probably should considering it’s age.

Pulling the history on this box thus far it looks like at some point the gpu thermals maxed at 181F (no idea what I was doing there lol) with fan speed maxed at 3894rpm but looks like average is around 150F with average fan speeds of 1900-2100 rpm.
 
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Queen6

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This one of the more useful & interesting passive notebook stands I've come across.
Lots of sales speel, equally I've found the AViiQ stand delivers as promised.

For me the AViiQ has stood up to the test of time. The good is the stand folds down to next to nothing, weighing just a few grams making it ideal for traveling light. The bad is that it's not suitable for all notebooks although works well with Apple's 13" offerings and sourcing one today who knows...

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