Safari on Sonoma web cache being much too vicious?

[Feek]

Since installing Sonoma on my Macs, I've noticed that Safari is really, really keen on caching web pages. A good example is my FlightAware personal stats page which is still showing me my stats from October 4th, no matter how many times I refresh.

If I clear the cache and log back in, it'll show me the current day but then always stays the same until I do it again. I can empty the cache from the develop menu and that also helps.

Online forums (including this one) will often take multiple cmd-Rs to show me the latest version. I can have read all the threads in a sub but Safari still shows some threads unread.

Has anyone noticed this? Apart from manually clearing the cache, is there anything I can tweak in Safari to make it less fond of its cache?

 

[auxbuss]

⌥⌘R should refresh from origin without the need to empty the cache.

 

[Feek]

⌥⌘R should refresh from origin without the need to empty the cache.

That's a force refresh? OK if it works but it shouldn't be needed.

 

[Feek]

⌥⌘R should refresh from origin without the need to empty the cache.

*update*
This doesn't work. My FlightAware stats page doesn't force refresh when using this.

 

[bogdanw]

⌥⌘R should refresh from origin without the need to empty the cache.

Apple’s documentation suggests it only works for Web Inspector.
Reload inspected page from origin ⌥ ⌘ R
https://webkit.org/web-inspector/keyboard-shortcuts/
Keyboard shortcuts and gestures in Safari on Mac
https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/cpsh003/mac
Mac keyboard shortcuts
https://support.apple.com/HT201236
Command-R: In some apps, such as Calendar or Safari, refresh or reload the page.

 

[auxbuss]

Apple’s documentation suggests it only works for Web Inspector.
Reload inspected page from origin ⌥ ⌘ R
https://webkit.org/web-inspector/keyboard-shortcuts/
Keyboard shortcuts and gestures in Safari on Mac
https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/cpsh003/mac
Mac keyboard shortcuts
https://support.apple.com/HT201236
Command-R: In some apps, such as Calendar or Safari, refresh or reload the page.

Obviously I've no idea what Apple are doing inside Safari, but holding ⌥ while opening Safari's View menu does show Reload Page From Origin ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[auxbuss]

That's a force refresh? OK if it works but it shouldn't be needed.

Well, it depends. Cache control for a page can be set by the provider – see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49547/how-do-we-control-web-page-caching-across-all-browsers, for example. So it depends on how Safari honours – or doesn't honour – those settings