Safari vs Camino

[Rower_CPU]

JH-

I'm sorry but it sounds like you tried Chimera early on and never kept up with its development. Anti-aliased text has been there for quite some time (since the OS X update enabled anti-aliasing) and looks every bit as good as Safari (better in some cases where Safari's non-standard initial ppi implementation came into play).

As for speed, they are neck-and-neck. Some pages lean to Safari, some to Camino.

I use Safari as my main browser now that beta 2 is out. I love it. But calling Chimera/Camino a "bad" browser is doing it a grave disservice. After all, it was the best alternative to IE for a long time.

 

[edesignuk]

Damn that new thread button being next to reply! Am I right? hehehe

 

[Jeff Harrell]

Re: Safari vs Camino

I respect your opinion, Rower, but I disagree. The last version of Chimera (or whatever they call it now) I used was 0.7. The font rendering was unacceptable, and it was slower than molasses on a cold winter morning on my dual GHz MDD G4.

For example, when I click the Safari dock icon, I get a browser window open and ready for use within one bounce, or maybe one and a half if I'm swapping. When I clicked the Chimera icon, I stared at a splash screen for five or ten seconds. That's just silly. I didn't appreciate that at all.

I have absolutely nothing against anybody who worked on Chimera, or anybody who uses it. I just don't consider it to be an acceptable Mac web browser, that's all.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Damn that new thread button being next to reply! Am I right? hehehe

Worse, actually...I split a thread, but then deleted the first post in the new thread and lost the whole thing.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Re: Re: Safari vs Camino

Originally posted by Jeff Harrell
I respect your opinion, Rower, but I disagree. The last version of Chimera (or whatever they call it now) I used was 0.7. The font rendering was unacceptable, and it was slower than molasses on a cold winter morning on my dual GHz MDD G4.

For example, when I click the Safari dock icon, I get a browser window open and ready for use within one bounce, or maybe one and a half if I'm swapping. When I clicked the Chimera icon, I stared at a splash screen for five or ten seconds. That's just silly. I didn't appreciate that at all.

I have absolutely nothing against anybody who worked on Chimera, or anybody who uses it. I just don't consider it to be an acceptable Mac web browser, that's all.

I'm sorry but on every screen I've used, the font rendering in Camino is absolutely, 100% on-par with Safari. Case in point, here are screen grabs from the two browsers.

Are you really going to tell me that one of them is "unacceptable" compared to the other?

As for speed, I don't care how long an app takes to launch if I never close it to begin with. Page rendering speed is the most important speed characteristic of a browser. Period.

Besides, on my dual 1GHz MDD Camino launches in approximately 1 second, w/ 1 bounces/blink and I've got several apps open.

Nothing personal, I just don't think your claims hold water.

 

[ChicagoMac]

Is splitting a thread like splitting hairs?

Anyway, I have to say that Safari has always been slower for me than Camino (Chimera) on my 17" 1ghz imac. And there is still a problem with hotmail useage. I've tried every revision but get the same results from Safari. As far as this Safari goes, it's kind of like that scene from Jurassic Park when Malcolm taps on the camera in the jeep and says, "There are supposed to be animals on this ride, right?" Maybe it will be ok once it graduates from the beta stage. For now it's still Chimera for me.

 

[Taft]

Re: Re: Re: Safari vs Camino

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I'm sorry but on every screen I've used, the font rendering in Camino is absolutely, 100% on-par with Safari. Case in point, here are screen grabs from the two browsers.
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Are you really going to tell me that one of them is "unacceptable" compared to the other?

As for speed, I don't care how long an app takes to launch if I never close it to begin with. Page rendering speed is the most important speed characteristic of a browser. Period.

Besides, on my dual 1GHz MDD Camino launches in approximately 1 second, w/ 1 bounces/blink and I've got several apps open.

Nothing personal, I just don't think your claims hold water.

Agreed on every point. Especially on the web page rendering point. Safari is a tiny bit faster, but Camino is VERY close.

The only thing that bugs me about Camino right now is the Aqua integration. Forms, scrolling and other user interface elements just seem slower in Camino than in Safari. If they could speed that up (and add Aqua features like spell checking and the ability to highlight ANY control with the tab key), I wouldn't have any complaints.

I'd also like to add that Camino has much better standards support and works on more web pages and with more plug-ins. The Gecko engine, while arguably too large and hard to code around, is probably the most standards compliant engine out there. Safari is very good for how young it is, howver, and I'm enjoying the progress being made with that browser.

Taft