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The Game 161

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Which is why iPhone will likely always sell more than the Samsung flagships. So really the sales of iPhone vs s5 of Note series doesn't mean that much really.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Which is why iPhone will likely always sell more than the Samsung flagships. So really the sales of iPhone vs s5 of Note series doesn't mean that much really.
I've had that opinion for a couple of years now. They have completely different business models. One company produces phones with a wide range of price brackets and the other produces 2 models at a time. You also have to consider one company is a customer of Google and the other makes both hardware and software. I don't think it is all about marketshare with the big boys as they know they attract different kinds of consumer anyway.
 

lazard

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Which is why iPhone will likely always sell more than the Samsung flagships. So really the sales of iPhone vs s5 of Note series doesn't mean that much really.

not only that, but Samsung has to compete with Sony, LG, HTC, Xiaomi, Motorola, and Google in the android space. If a user wants iOS, the only game in town is Apple.
 

jrswizzle

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not only that, but Samsung has to compete with Sony, LG, HTC, Xiaomi, Motorola, and Google in the android space. If a user wants iOS, the only game in town is Apple.

Not much of a competition at this point.....Samsung has dominated Android for the better part of the last 2-3 years.

Kinda sad actually - I think HTC and LG are making some killer products that are struggling because they haven't made the marketing push Samsung has.
 

lazard

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Not much of a competition at this point.....Samsung has dominated Android for the better part of the last 2-3 years.

Kinda sad actually - I think HTC and LG are making some killer products that are struggling because they haven't made the marketing push Samsung has.

Smartphone sales in 2013 hit roughly 1B in 2013. Of that, Samsung accounts for roughly 314M. Apple sold about 154M iPhones. Nokia, with their windows OS, sold 31M. Combined that equates to 50% of the smartphones sold in 2013. That leaves another 500M smartphone sales to the other Android manufacturers (Huawei 52M, LG 48M, Lenovo 46M, ZTE 40M, Sony, 38M, Coolpad 35M, HTC 27M, others 183M)
 

jrswizzle

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Smartphone sales in 2013 hit roughly 1B in 2013. Of that, Samsung accounts for roughly 314M. Apple sold about 154M iPhones. Nokia, with their windows OS, sold 31M. Combined that equates to 50% of the smartphones sold in 2013. That leaves another 500M smartphone sales to the other Android manufacturers (Huawei 52M, LG 48M, Lenovo 46M, ZTE 40M, Sony, 38M, Coolpad 35M, HTC 27M, others 183M)

Right so compare that 314M of Samsung to HTC's 27M. Its a competition for those other Android OEMs to simply stay alive....

I actually would love to see Samsung break away from Android and move to Tizen completely. I think it would benefit them to control their own software and I think they want to be and are more like Apple than many would admit. It would likely bring Android's overall marketshare down, but not all Samsung owners would follow them to Tizen (though I'd be willing to be MOST don't give a rats behind so long as Tizen looks and works similarly to Android).

A world where Android held roughly 45%, Tizen and iOS at 20% and WP8 taking in 5-10% would be a fun world. Especially with all those Android OEMs having room to breathe a grow and not being crushed by Samsung.
 

jamezr

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If Samsung went to Tizen I would stop buying Samsung phones
I have a mixed reaction to Tizen....first I have never used it....so don't know if it is good or not.
But moving away from Android all together would be a big mistake for Samsung. The loss of the ecosystem support alone would cost them big time.....
 

mclld

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I have never used it but I like Android and am happy with it, no reason for me to leave.
 

Switchback666

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If Samsung moves to Tizen with full Google appa support most people will follow, its not about Android its about the Galaxy line for the consumers.

I dont consider us tech. people the regular consumer.
 

Technarchy

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Trimming down that product line would probably result in even better products that benefit from more resources, more R&D, and time committed to a more concise product line.
 

MRU

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If Samsung moves to Tizen with full Google appa support most people will follow, its not about Android its about the Galaxy line for the consumers.

I dont consider us tech. people the regular consumer.

This is what I've been saying for literally ages ...

Touchwiz is synonymous with the Galaxy & Samsung brand.

Present users with a more refined Touchwiz (on Tizen) with additional software benefits to already popular apps, over Touchwiz on Android along with Android App Support built into Tizen and I wouldn't take a huge push.
 

kdarling

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Samsung has launched over 100 Android phone models, without counting variations of each (but it seems tablets that can do voice are also counted).

That site re-counted some models across carriers, but that still leaves about 90.

Apple's had 13 models since the beginning (although they looked similar on the outside, they had different radios).

However, Apple didn't have any CDMA models for several years, and they were also a year late with LTE. Otherwise they'd have had about 20.

Samsung also designs models for every price range. Apple simply sells older models at lower prices, instead. If Apple had hit the lower and middle markets, they'd have had about 60 models.

Finally, Samsung updates their phones more often, and includes some niche units with keyboards, and so forth. That pretty much accounts for the rest.

Trimming down that product line would probably result in even better products that benefit from more resources, more R&D, and time committed to a more concise product line.

I was thinking the other way... that Apple could learn from Samsung's ability to manufacture so many different models.

Cook is supposed to be good what he does, but he only has to deal with a handful of models each year. Yet he even goofed up the planning for that few (when Apple made too many of the wrong model on the 5C debut) and also blew the iPhone 5 production quality at first. (Remember Foxconn going on strike over the manufacturing demands?
 

cube

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Trimming down that product line would probably result in even better products that benefit from more resources, more R&D, and time committed to a more concise product line.

Apple's core is software. They benefit from producing few hardware models.

Samsung Electronics's core is components. They benefit from producing many different end-user hardware products.
 

mib1800

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I don't think it is that difficult to make different models. I see many samsung models have the same innards. So only the screen and casing are different.

I think android virtualisation insulate the os from the hardware pretty well so once you get the hardware layer drivers done everything falls into place.
 
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