Samsung - past, present, and future, as they close in on Apple

[0dev]

Found this Guardian article quite interesting:

As a venue for America's Grammy music awards, the Radio City music hall in New York has showcased stars from Michael Jackson to Lady Gaga, but on Thursday the headline act will be the world's next blockbuster smartphone.

At a ceremony to be broadcast live in Times Square, South Korean electronics giant Samsung will unwrap the Galaxy S4, its answer to Apple's latest iPhone and the latest salvo in the battle for supremacy between Seoul and Silicon Valley. Samsung already sells more smartphones than any manufacturer, but at the high end of the market Apple has remained unchallenged – until now.

Forecasters say Samsung's flagship Galaxy S franchise is catching up with the iPhone, and could begin to take its number one spot this year. While Apple has been weakened by rows with shareholders, trouble at its Foxconn factories and the maps debacle, the Samsung brand is gaining ground, backed by a $5bn-a-year electronics advertising budget that dwarfs those of all its rivals.

"Apple is not the one leading the market," said Francisco Jeronimo from analysis firm IDC. "I wouldn't be surprised if the new Samsung device sells more than the new Apple device over the next two years." Samsung's lips are sealed but it is ploughing every resource into packing the latest technology into the fourth edition of its Galaxy S, which is predicted to allow the users to scroll the screen and pause video simply by moving their eyes.

More here.

 

[YourAvgUser]

"Apple is not the one leading the market," said Francisco Jeronimo from analysis firm IDC. "I wouldn't be surprised if the new Samsung device sells more than the new Apple device over the next two years."

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Samsung has "enormous" plans for the handset, according to Peter Misek at Jefferies bank, with orders for 100m in its first nine months. By comparison, Apple's bestselling phone to date, the 4S, took 15 months to ship 110m units by the end of December.

It took 8 months to sell 40 million, and they are expecting the next one to sell 100 million in roughly the same time period... They also have never come close to outselling the iPhone with amy Galaxy S. The market has plateaued, so it will take more than eye scrolling to rack up these numbers.

 

[0dev]

It took 8 months to sell 40 million, and they are expecting the next one to sell 100 million in roughly the same time period... They also have never come close to outselling the iPhone with amy Galaxy S. The market has plateaued, so it will take more than eye scrolling to rack up these numbers.

They're getting closer every year though. 100 million is very ambitious but I think it's doable. Although I do think they may have to drop the price a bit to sell that many units.

 

[grkm3]

It took 8 months to sell 40 million, and they are expecting the next one to sell 100 million in roughly the same time period... They also have never come close to outselling the iPhone with amy Galaxy S. The market has plateaued, so it will take more than eye scrolling to rack up these numbers.

you do know the gs3 broke apples presale and first week sales record right?It presold 9 million before the cell was even out.

It blew the iphone 5 out the water for first week sales and is the main reason why apples stock starting to drop,it latterly started tanking a few days after the iphone 5 came out.

 

[DeathChill]

you do know the gs3 broke apples presale and first week sales record right?It presold 9 million before the cell was even out.

It blew the iphone 5 out the water for first week sales and is the main reason why apples stock starting to drop,it latterly started tanking a few days after the iphone 5 came out.

No, no it didn't. 9 million was CARRIER orders, not consumer pre-orders. Apple doesn't release those numbers, instead releasing consumer pre-orders.

 

[grkm3]

No, no it didn't. 9 million was CARRIER orders, not consumer pre-orders. Apple doesn't release those numbers, instead releasing consumer pre-orders.

NO you are wrong the gs3 pre sold 9 million,look it up! you can spin it anyway you want because I paid in full when I pre ordered mine from Verizon.com and will do the same when the gs4 goes on presale on Verizon.com

They broke 20 million sold in less then 100 days and please tell us how else people can preorder the cell without going to there carriors and ordering it?

here is from a major carrier in the uk

In the UK, Carphone Warehouse has confirmed that the S3 is the most popular phone of the year so far, with thousands of customers lined up to pick up their phone a week from today.

Spokesman Graham Stapleton said: 'Pre-order demand for the new Galaxy S3 has surpassed expectations since the handset was first unveiled two weeks ago.

'The first 24 hours alone saw thousands placing their pre-order at Carphone Warehouse.'

The S3's predecessor - the Galaxy S2 - took about six months to sell 10million phones, and 11 months to sell 20million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...it-9m-beating-iPhone-4s-4m.html#ixzz2NCYPkWD7
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

here is the read on the whole article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...e-Pre-orders-hit-9m-beating-iPhone-4s-4m.html

 

[hyteckit]

NO you are wrong the gs3 pre sold 9 million,look it up! you can spin it anyway you want because I paid in full when I pre ordered mine from Verizon.com and will do the same when the gs4 goes on presale on Verizon.com

They broke 20 million sold in less then 100 days and please tell us how else people can preorder the cell without going to there carriors and ordering it?

here is from a major carrier in the uk

In the UK, Carphone Warehouse has confirmed that the S3 is the most popular phone of the year so far, with thousands of customers lined up to pick up their phone a week from today.

Spokesman Graham Stapleton said: 'Pre-order demand for the new Galaxy S3 has surpassed expectations since the handset was first unveiled two weeks ago.

'The first 24 hours alone saw thousands placing their pre-order at Carphone Warehouse.'

The S3's predecessor - the Galaxy S2 - took about six months to sell 10million phones, and 11 months to sell 20million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...it-9m-beating-iPhone-4s-4m.html#ixzz2NCYPkWD7
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

here is the read on the whole article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...e-Pre-orders-hit-9m-beating-iPhone-4s-4m.html

Seems you are wrong and deathchill is right. It's CARRIER orders and not consumer orders. So the pre-orders by carriers can cover a few months of "anticipated demand" and have enough "buffer" in case demand exceeds their supply.

From your link:

Most of the orders will have come through network carriers across the world, based on customer pre-orders, upgrades and anticipated demand.
The carriers will have pre-allocated the majority of this stock to customers, with a surplus to act as a 'buffer' in case demand exceeds their supply.

 

[matttye]

"Number of all iPhone models" ... "(includes iPhone 3S, 4, 4S, 5 and ..."

Contradiction right there.

 

[YourAvgUser]

you do know the gs3 broke apples presale and first week sales record right?It presold 9 million before the cell was even out.

It blew the iphone 5 out the water for first week sales and is the main reason why apples stock starting to drop,it latterly started tanking a few days after the iphone 5 came out.

Two completely different situations...

The GS3 was on pre-sale for 1 month. It took 2 months to sell 10 million. It took 8 months to hit 40 million...

iPhone 5 was on pre-sale for 1 week. It sold 5 million over the first week, and with the shortage issues we have no clue how many were ordered in that period. But it hit roughly 30 million after 3 months.

Do the math.

 

[Random 995K]

you do know the gs3 broke apples presale and first week sales record right?It presold 9 million before the cell was even out.

It blew the iphone 5 out the water for first week sales and is the main reason why apples stock starting to drop,it latterly started tanking a few days after the iphone 5 came out.

Wow you have no idea, do some research.

 

[kevinof]

Agreed but.. Samsung is now in the position that Apple got to a couple of years ago - its now built up a base of loyal, happy customers (galaxy s, s2, s3) who are now eager to see then next handset and will eagerly upgrade. I can see Samsung selling 100M and building it base even further.

It took 8 months to sell 40 million, and they are expecting the next one to sell 100 million in roughly the same time period... They also have never come close to outselling the iPhone with amy Galaxy S. The market has plateaued, so it will take more than eye scrolling to rack up these numbers.

 

[grkm3]

Seems you are wrong and deathchill is right. It's CARRIER orders and not consumer orders. So the pre-orders by carriers can cover a few months of "anticipated demand" and have enough "buffer" in case demand exceeds their supply.

From your link:

Most of the orders will have come through network carriers across the world, based on customer pre-orders, upgrades and anticipated demand.
The carriers will have pre-allocated the majority of this stock to customers, with a surplus to act as a 'buffer' in case demand exceeds their supply.

The gs3 was sold out and impossible to get for 3 weeks after launch and it did not go on presale a month before launch either.

They broke 20 million in 100 days and that was with the USA launch delayed 5 weeks after the UK got it.and the gs3 sold out here in the states during its first few weeks also.

Spin it anyway you want the gs3 sold like mad and broke every iPhone record during its launch.

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Two completely different situations...

The GS3 was on pre-sale for 1 month. It took 2 months to sell 10 million. It took 8 months to hit 40 million...

iPhone 5 was on pre-sale for 1 week. It sold 5 million over the first week, and with the shortage issues we have no clue how many were ordered in that period. But it hit roughly 30 million after 3 months.

Do the math.

Why don't you back this up ? Please post up where it took 2 months to sell 10 million gs3 I'll pay pal you 50 bucks right now if you do.

It presold...sold,it doesn't matter if carriers ordered them Samsung got there money and pre sold 9 million and broke 10 million that same month it launched.

Do you not understand that the gs3 was also sold out during its launch?

 

[daveathall]

TBH it doesn't bother me either way, I don't have any shares in either company.

One could look at it from different perspectives, "my phone is the biggest seller" or "my phone is the most common smart phone in production" or even, I have a very exclusive phone, everyone else has (name phone) but there are not many of these about".

Having the best selling phone in my opinion isn't a sign that it is the best phone. I have never pulled my iPhone or SGS3 out and said to my friends or work mates "this is the best selling phone in the world" They would still be laughing at me now.

 

[mattopotamus]

I also don't think people with flagship android phones upgrade as often as iphone users. Everyone I personally know who owns the s3 has no interest in the s4, and will most likely use their current phone until it is not sufficient. Most people I know with iphones are always interested in the newest model if they can financially afford to upgrade every year.

 

[DeathChill]

The gs3 was sold out and impossible to get for 3 weeks after launch and it did not go on presale a month before launch either.

They broke 20 million in 100 days and that was with the USA launch delayed 5 weeks after the UK got it.and the gs3 sold out here in the states during its first few weeks also.

Spin it anyway you want the gs3 sold like mad and broke every iPhone record during its launch.

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Why don't you back this up ? Please post up where it took 2 months to sell 10 million gs3 I'll pay pal you 50 bucks right now if you do.

It presold...sold,it doesn't matter if carriers ordered them Samsung got there money and pre sold 9 million and broke 10 million that same month it launched.

Do you not understand that the gs3 was also sold out during its launch?

It took almost 2 months to sell 10 million, straight from Samsung themselves:
http://m.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-hits-10-million-sales-mark-early/57477475

I'm not sure where you're getting these "iPhone smashing" records but I don't see any. We have no comparisons to make that use the same information from each company.

EDIT: Also want to point out that records don't make one phone better than the other. It's all personal preference.

 

[ukbondraider]

Is this post suppose to show how well Samsung are doing?

Given the Galaxy S series is typically half the price of an iPhone over a contract term I am surprised why Samsung's flagship model isn't already outselling the iPhone. For many choosing the S3 it was about cost.

Judging by the looks and materials of the S4 this doesn't look like changing.

Coupled with the fact that IOS has barely changed since the iPhone 1, it is amazing how the iPhone is doing relatively. IOS needs a massive change and if this does arrive with iOS 7 then expect Apple to generate another gap.

 

[mattopotamus]

Is this post suppose to show how well Samsung are doing?

Given the Galaxy S series is typically half the price of an iPhone over a contract term I am surprised why Samsung's flagship model isn't already outselling the iPhone. For many choosing the S3 it was about cost.

Judging by the looks and materials of the S4 this doesn't look like changing.

Coupled with the fact that IOS has barely changed since the iPhone 1, it is amazing how the iPhone is doing relatively. IOS needs a massive change and if this does arrive with iOS 7 then expect Apple to generate another gap.

This is a very good point. They are still at the top with just making tweaks, nothing new. If they were to introduce things with IOS 7 that no one has ever seen, it would cause a lot of people to switch back.

 

[YourAvgUser]

Why don't you back this up ? Please post up where it took 2 months to sell 10 million gs3 I'll pay pal you 50 bucks right now if you do.

It presold...sold,it doesn't matter if carriers ordered them Samsung got there money and pre sold 9 million and broke 10 million that same month it launched.

Do you not understand that the gs3 was also sold out during its launch?

That CNet article is one reference. Individual phone sales is somehow a difficult number to pick out b/c iPhone and Galaxy S draw so many news articles.

Anyway, I'm not arguing that the GS3 is not popular and that GS4 won't be popular. But 100 million sells over 1 year would be a lofty goal that I don't think anyone can amass b/c of how smartphone technology has plateaued.

The Galaxy line offers great features, no doubt about it. But most consumers don't care. Consumers are attracted to shiny and new (not counting fanbase). And there are far too many shiny and new products out there for any phone to double its sales so easily.

 

[reefoid]

Given the Galaxy S series is typically half the price of an iPhone over a contract term I am surprised why Samsung's flagship model isn't already outselling the iPhone. For many choosing the S3 it was about cost.

Where did you see that a Galaxy phone is half the cost of an iPhone over a two year contract? That can't be right.

Taking a look on the Three site today, their One Plan shows:

iPhone 5 (halfway between phone releases) - £49 up front, £36 a month
S3 (about to be replaced by a new model) - £29 up front, £36 a month

Which means the only difference is in upfront cost at £20.

 

[jrswizzle]

The gs3 was sold out and impossible to get for 3 weeks after launch and it did not go on presale a month before launch either.

They broke 20 million in 100 days and that was with the USA launch delayed 5 weeks after the UK got it.and the gs3 sold out here in the states during its first few weeks also.

Spin it anyway you want the gs3 sold like mad and broke every iPhone record during its launch.

You do realize the GS3 came out BEFORE the iPhone 5.....meaning any records it broke were held by the iPhone 4S......

And, as has been pointed out, Samsung doesn't release actual sales numbers, simply carrier orders....which can be misleading. While Apple releases iPhone (total) sales numbers....

Point: any ACTUAL sales numbers for the GS3 or iPhone 5 specifically will be estimates....and these are the estimates of SOLD in 2012 (GLOBALLY):

iPhone 5: 33.4 million
http://www.zdnet.com/apples-iphone-...est-selling-smartphone-in-q4-2012-7000011547/

Samsung Galaxy S3: 40 million (as of January 14, 2013)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III#cite_note-40million-5

The thing about this is....

iPhone 5 release date: September 21, 2012 (rolled out to world over the course of the next three months)

Samsung Galaxy S3 release date: May 29, 2012 (rolled out to the world over the course of the next 6 weeks)

So even with a 5 month headstart, the GS3 sold only 6.6 million more handsets.....

Or look at it this way, Apple sold approximately 11 million iPhone 5's per month in 2012, while Samsung sold under 6 million GS3's per month in 2012.

EDIT: Hell....Apple sold more 4S's in Q4 than Samsung sold GS3's.....and the 4S was over a year old. Samsung's success is impressive (easily the dominant Android handset maker), but let's pump the breaks.....they still aren't on Apple's level yet. Getting there (unless Apple does something, Samsung will get there), but they aren't there yet.....

 

[Faux Carnival]

Samsung clearly is on the right track.

 

[hyteckit]

The gs3 was sold out and impossible to get for 3 weeks after launch and it did not go on presale a month before launch either.

They broke 20 million in 100 days and that was with the USA launch delayed 5 weeks after the UK got it.and the gs3 sold out here in the states during its first few weeks also.

Spin it anyway you want the gs3 sold like mad and broke every iPhone record during its launch.

Whatever spin, excuse, or reason you might have isn't important.

I was just making a factual correction. The 9 million pre-order were clearly carrier orders.

 

[ChazUK]

I also don't think people with flagship android phones upgrade as often as iphone users.

I wish that was the case for me.

Since the Nexus One I've had the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, Galaxy S III & Nexus 4.
That's without owning the ZTE Blade, Samsung Omnia 7, HTC Titan, Sony Xperia U and my iPhone 4 inbetween...


It pains my wallet but I do love a latest gadget.

I'm sure both Apple and Samsung will do well. My wife is holding on to her upgrade until she knows what Samsung will reveal on Thursday...

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

Found this Guardian article quite interesting:
More here.

It is obvious, that this consumer devices only strategy is Apples problem. The customers demand more, each year, not less. And Apple delivers less, compared to the competition. The Apple iPhone platform has no NFC, no half HD or full HD screens, no watertight phones, no pen support, et cetera. Just a few examples.

If they want market share in the future, they should reinvent the iOS, should add more modern hardware features. At some point consumers recognize what they cannot do with their iDevice, at that is the moment, where they discover Samsung and the whole Android (devices) family. And yes, it is obvious that this happens worldwide, a hundred thousand times each day.

 

[0dev]

I also don't think people with flagship android phones upgrade as often as iphone users. Everyone I personally know who owns the s3 has no interest in the s4, and will most likely use their current phone until it is not sufficient. Most people I know with iphones are always interested in the newest model if they can financially afford to upgrade every year.

Surely it's the other way around? Only one new iPhone comes out every year whereas about five high end Android phones are released in the same period.

I guess it just depends on how much the individual cares about having the latest tech.

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It is obvious, that this consumer devices only strategy is Apples problem. The customers demand more, each year, not less. And Apple delivers less, compared to the competition. The Apple iPhone platform has no NFC, no half HD or full HD screens, no watertight phones, no pen support, et cetera. Just a few examples.

If they want market share in the future, they should reinvent the iOS, should add more modern hardware features. At some point consumers recognize what they cannot do with their iDevice, at that is the moment, where they discover Samsung and the whole Android (devices) family. And yes, it is obvious that this happens worldwide, a hundred thousand times each day.

Couldn't agree more.