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KnightMan

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Sep 12, 2012
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So I gotta say, so much for the argument that Samsung reports Units Shipped as Units Sold. Maybe this will stop the ridiculous argument. Who the heck I'm kidding, haters gonna hate.

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sinsin07

macrumors 68040
Mar 28, 2009
3,608
2,668
Small potatoes


Apple made more than Microsoft, Google, eBay, Yahoo, Amazon and Facebook combined in fiscal 2012

ChartOfTheDay_735_Apple_s_Astonishing_Profit_in_Context_n.jpg

When Apple released its fourth quarter earnings in late October, the reaction from commentators, analysts and investors was largely negative. The company had missed earnings expectations, sold fewer iPads than expected and its margins had declined.

What went by nearly unnoticed however, was the fact that Apple had just wrapped up its fiscal year 2012 with a record profit of $41.7 billion on $156.5 billion revenue.

How huge these numbers really are becomes more evident when compared to the results of Apple’s competition:

• From October 2011 through September 2012, the combined net profit of Microsoft, Google, eBay, Yahoo, Facebook and Amazon was $34.4 billion. Apple alone made $7 billion more.

• In the same period, Dell, Asus, Intel, Acer, IBM, Lenovo and HP, i.e. virtually the entire PC industry, made $19.3 billion or less than half of Apple’s profit.

Seeing these numbers, it is no surprise that, despite its recent dip, Apple is still the most valuable public company in the world. All its recent shortcomings notwithstanding, Apple’s business remains incredibly profitable.

(Samsung is on the bottom in case you can't see the graphic clearly.):D
 

identity

macrumors 6502
Nov 18, 2011
316
0
Small potatoes


Apple made more than Microsoft, Google, eBay, Yahoo, Amazon and Facebook combined in fiscal 2012

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When Apple released its fourth quarter earnings in late October, the reaction from commentators, analysts and investors was largely negative. The company had missed earnings expectations, sold fewer iPads than expected and its margins had declined.

What went by nearly unnoticed however, was the fact that Apple had just wrapped up its fiscal year 2012 with a record profit of $41.7 billion on $156.5 billion revenue.

How huge these numbers really are becomes more evident when compared to the results of Apple’s competition:

• From October 2011 through September 2012, the combined net profit of Microsoft, Google, eBay, Yahoo, Facebook and Amazon was $34.4 billion. Apple alone made $7 billion more.

• In the same period, Dell, Asus, Intel, Acer, IBM, Lenovo and HP, i.e. virtually the entire PC industry, made $19.3 billion or less than half of Apple’s profit.

Seeing these numbers, it is no surprise that, despite its recent dip, Apple is still the most valuable public company in the world. All its recent shortcomings notwithstanding, Apple’s business remains incredibly profitable.

(Samsung is on the bottom in case you can't see the graphic clearly.):D

Just because Justin Bieber sells more records than 'insert your favorite artists" doesn't mean he's the best singer.
 

sinsin07

macrumors 68040
Mar 28, 2009
3,608
2,668
Just because Justin Bieber sells more records than 'insert your favorite artists" doesn't mean he's the best singer.

Who is Justin Bieber. In any regard the topic is not Justin Bieber, Artitst or singing or what's best. The topic is profit.

The subject of "best" is up to the consumer.
 

BHP41

macrumors 6502a
Jul 21, 2010
834
2
United States of America
Just because Justin Bieber sells more records than 'insert your favorite artists" doesn't mean he's the best singer.

Ummmm.... That statement as absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted. :rolleyes:

Being the best smartphone is a subjective argument. Having more profits than your competitors combined is fact and can't be argued against.

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So I gotta say, so much for the argument that Samsung reports Units Shipped as Units Sold. Maybe this will stop the ridiculous argument. Who the heck I'm kidding, haters gonna hate.

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Investors are worrying if Apples dominance is waning. I wonder if these investors actually read the reports from the cell providers and Apple themselves. :rolleyes: Wall Street is tired of apple because they haven't released something to change another industry(iPhone) or created one(iPad) in a few years. If Apple decides to do to the TV and Movie industry what it I'd to the music industry then they'll all be excited again for the next few years. Then after 5-7 years when the completion copies Apple(again) they'll say Apple is doomed. This has happened many times. Only time will tell but I wouldn't bet against them.
 

Fernandez21

macrumors 601
Jun 16, 2010
4,840
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Ummmm.... That statement as absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted. :rolleyes:

Being the best smartphone is a subjective argument. Having more profits than your competitors combined is fact and can't be argued against.

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Investors are worrying if Apples dominance is waning. I wonder if these investors actually read the reports from the cell providers and Apple themselves. :rolleyes: Wall Street is tired of apple because they haven't released something to change another industry(iPhone) or created one(iPad) in a few years. If Apple decides to do to the TV and Movie industry what it I'd to the music industry then they'll all be excited again for the next few years. Then after 5-7 years when the completion copies Apple(again) they'll say Apple is doomed. This has happened many times. Only time will tell but I wouldn't bet against them.

The stock being flat or decline does not mean apple is doomed, it just that the market sees apple is a bad investment at the moment, not because they think apple will do bad it's just there really isn't more room to grow. They are already one of the most profitable companies ever, you can't expect revenue and profits to keep going up forever.
 

BHP41

macrumors 6502a
Jul 21, 2010
834
2
United States of America
The stock being flat or decline does not mean apple is doomed, it just that the market sees apple is a bad investment at the moment, not because they think apple will do bad it's just there really isn't more room to grow. They are already one of the most profitable companies ever, you can't expect revenue and profits to keep going up forever.

The stock isn't flat, it's the year over year growth. Apple released 5 new products this year so in not surprised that its been a little flat with new manufacturing cost for all of these. Specifically in Q4 for the biggest piece of the pie.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
The stock isn't flat, it's the year over year growth. Apple released 5 new products this year so in not surprised that its been a little flat with new manufacturing cost for all of these. Specifically in Q4 for the biggest piece of the pie.

The person you replied to got it wrong, it's not about the stock being flat, it's about Apple's QtoQ, Q4 '11 to Q4 '12 profits being flat, even though revenues were up by quite a margin.

Apple barely made 400 million extra profit off billions more revenue. That is what is making investors worried. Margins were on a decline.

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(Samsung is on the bottom in case you can't see the graphic clearly.):D

Look, old data! Why did you post this ?

Q4 '12 data from both Samung and Apple indicate that Samsung made 8.3b$ profits to Apple's 13.1b$.

That's a lot closer than your data and graph hint it... Maybe you should stop spreading FUD based on outdated data. :rolleyes:
 

hyteckit

Guest
Jul 29, 2007
889
1
Following the Apple is DOOM thread, I'll call this the Samsung is DOOM thread.

Poor Samsung. Stocks tank after earnings report. Samsung is DOOM.

Stock drops 36,000 won.

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TheHateMachine

macrumors 6502a
Sep 18, 2012
846
1,354
Small potatoes


Apple made more than Microsoft, Google, eBay, Yahoo, Amazon and Facebook combined in fiscal 2012

Image
When Apple released its fourth quarter earnings in late October, the reaction from commentators, analysts and investors was largely negative. The company had missed earnings expectations, sold fewer iPads than expected and its margins had declined.

What went by nearly unnoticed however, was the fact that Apple had just wrapped up its fiscal year 2012 with a record profit of $41.7 billion on $156.5 billion revenue.

How huge these numbers really are becomes more evident when compared to the results of Apple’s competition:

• From October 2011 through September 2012, the combined net profit of Microsoft, Google, eBay, Yahoo, Facebook and Amazon was $34.4 billion. Apple alone made $7 billion more.

• In the same period, Dell, Asus, Intel, Acer, IBM, Lenovo and HP, i.e. virtually the entire PC industry, made $19.3 billion or less than half of Apple’s profit.

Seeing these numbers, it is no surprise that, despite its recent dip, Apple is still the most valuable public company in the world. All its recent shortcomings notwithstanding, Apple’s business remains incredibly profitable.

(Samsung is on the bottom in case you can't see the graphic clearly.):D

As the OP posted "Haters gonna hate".

PS: Your data... muh sides! :D
 

appletoandroid

macrumors member
Jan 25, 2013
64
0
Samsung sells 63 million smartphones, dominates the market

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57565810-94/samsung-reigns-with-30-of-q4-smartphone-shipments/

What's left for Samsung? They are absolutely crushing Apple, and I think the GS4 will be the final blow.

But I think this is a mixed bag of goodies. They're clearly leading the industry with their innovation, but will they start to plateau because they're the best like Apple once was? What is left out there to challenge Samsung?

Congrats on record profits and sales!
 

LSUtigers03

macrumors 68020
Apr 9, 2008
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41
That's only because they sell a million different smartphones and Apple only sells 3. They also give them away and Apple charges an bazillion dollars for theirs and they still sell a ton. Quality over quantity. :rolleyes:
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
37
That's only because they sell a million different smartphones and Apple only sells 3. They also give them away and Apple charges an bazillion dollars for theirs and they still sell a ton. Quality over quantity. :rolleyes:

You realize that the vast majority of their smartphone sales are made up of the s3 and the note ii. Not to mention apple still sells the iPhone 4.


Samsungs profit increased 74 percent last quarter over the same quarter the previous year. That's a much better year over year growth than apple experienced.
 

LSUtigers03

macrumors 68020
Apr 9, 2008
2,089
41
You realize that the vast majority of their smartphone sales are made up of the s3 and the note ii. Not to mention apple still sells the iPhone 4.


Samsungs profit increased 74 percent last quarter over the same quarter the previous year. That's a much better year over year growth than apple experienced.

Yes I do realize that. In fact I own both of those phones.
 

Fernandez21

macrumors 601
Jun 16, 2010
4,840
3,183
But the company that made my phone made even more billions of dollars than the company that made your phone, so my phone better than yours!
 
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