Samsung Vs Google

[Sevanw]

I'm starting to think Samsung need to speed up the development of Tizen. Tizen seems a heck of a lot more efficient than Android. It runs super smooth on pathetic hardware (Z1), and on wearables, is feature packed and better on battery life than Android Wear and other OS'. The flexibility of the OS is such that it runs on anything. It's on all their new TVs and higher end cameras. Speaking of cameras, Samsung is coming out both barrels blazing in this industry. The NX1 is finally getting the recognition it deserves because of multiple massive firmware updates; Something other OEMs (Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc..) can't even come close to matching. Hardware has never been a problem for Samsung, but on the software side it seems Google is holding them back with Android's lack of features. Samsung is the only one willing to push the boundaries to go up against Apple. Camera performance, fingerprint scanner and is implementation, display quality, VR, Multiwindow, and device security (enterprise) are all the things only Samsung seems to be trying to make big advancements in on Android. Google even implemented Samsung's Knox to help Android in enterprise. Samsung trying all this, is an effort on top of an OS they don't control. The NX1 was able to have so many quick MAJOR firmware updates (that are causing review sites to redo their rating of the NX1) because they control the OS. So I'm just thinking the quicker they get Tizen fully ready for high end hardware in developed markets, the better for them. Of course, I'm not saying drop Android. That would be foolish. But if the NX1 is any indication of what they can do when they fully control the software, I say hurry up with a fully developed Tizen. Thoughts?

 

[jamezr]

I'm starting to think Samsung need to speed up the development of Tizen. Tizen seems a heck of a lot more efficient than Android. It runs super smooth on pathetic hardware (Z1), and on wearables, is feature packed and better on battery life than Android Wear and other OS'. The flexibility of the OS is such that it runs on anything. It's on all their new TVs and higher end cameras. Speaking of cameras, Samsung is coming out both barrels blazing in this industry. The NX1 is finally getting the recognition it deserves because of multiple massive firmware updates; Something other OEMs (Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc..) can't even come close to matching. Hardware has never been a problem for Samsung, but on the software side it seems Google is holding them back with Android's lack of features. Samsung is the only one willing to push the boundaries to go up against Apple. Camera performance, fingerprint scanner and is implementation, display quality, VR, Multiwindow, and device security (enterprise) are all the things only Samsung seems to be trying to make big advancements in on Android. Google even implemented Samsung's Knox to help Android in enterprise. Samsung trying all this, is an effort on top of an OS they don't control. The NX1 was able to have so many quick MAJOR firmware updates (that are causing review sites to redo their rating of the NX1) because they control the OS. So I'm just thinking the quicker they get Tizen fully ready for high end hardware in developed markets, the better for them. Of course, I'm not saying drop Android. That would be foolish. But if the NX1 is any indication of what they can do when they fully control the software, I say hurry up with a fully developed Tizen. Thoughts?

I would love to try Tizen on my Note 4 or S6.

 

[MRU]

We need a correction here.

Tizen appears much more efficient than Samsung Touchwiz.

Stock android is vastly more efficient than Samsung's android skin.

 

[Truefan31]

Samsung Vs Google

We need a correction here.

Tizen appears much more efficient than Samsung Touchwiz.

Stock android is vastly more efficient than Samsung's android skin.

Yeah I was gonna say that.

I think it's harder than it looks to develop a mobile OS, with a real, high quality App Store. I think android benefitted from being so open. They're still getting there overall but they're leagues better than they were. But I've read good things about tizen.

Just read this

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...rst-tizen-smartphone-still-feels-like-plan-b/

Guess it's always tough in the beginning. They will need to differentiate from android significantly imo to be successful.

 

[Sevanw]

We need a correction here.

Tizen appears much more efficient than Samsung Touchwiz.

Stock android is vastly more efficient than Samsung's android skin.

I was actually referring to stock Android, not Tizen. Here's a recent comparison with all phones running Lollipop. If stock is so much more efficient than TW it shouldn't faired so horribly.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/benchmarking-android-5-0-lollipop-battery-life-samsung-galaxy-s5-lg-g3/

Then you got Tizen running 3-4 days more on the Gear2 Vs Android Wear running on the Gear Live.
No matter how you cut it, as long as Samsung can get the developer support, Tizen just has more potential than anything out there considering all the difference types of devices it can run on and is running on.

 

[MRU]

I was actually referring to stock Android, not Tizen. Here's a recent comparison with all phones running Lollipop. If stock is so much more efficient than TW it shouldn't faired so horribly.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/benchmarking-android-5-0-lollipop-battery-life-samsung-galaxy-s5-lg-g3/

Then you got Tizen running 3-4 days more on the Gear2 Vs Android Wear running on the Gear Live.
No matter how you cut it, as long as Samsung can get the developer support, Tizen just has more potential than anything out there considering all the difference types of devices it can run on and is running on.

That's 1 battery test - it doesn't say anything about performance or ram management and furthermore is based on Android 5.0 which we all know had serious holes both memory and battery wise for the N5. These have since been fixed.

 

[bmxracer]

In my opinion the biggest challenge will be to gain enough developers for its app store. That is what I think is the problem for windows phones right now.

 

[MRU]

In my opinion the biggest challenge will be to gain enough developers for its app store. That is what I think is the problem for windows phones right now.

No new app store going forward will be able to match ios and Google play. Simply smartphones are pretty much near saturation point, it's why flagships no longer sell as well as the big manufacturers want. The only way windows or Tizen will be able to go forward will be to assimilate and run Google play store apps without asking developers to port.

Very few developers have the time or financial resource to waste time porting to a platform that has 0.1 - 2% market share, so that their app can then get in the hands of an even smaller percentage of that tiny market share users devices.

 

[gotluck]

I was actually referring to stock Android, not Tizen. Here's a recent comparison with all phones running Lollipop. If stock is so much more efficient than TW it shouldn't faired so horribly.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/benchmarking-android-5-0-lollipop-battery-life-samsung-galaxy-s5-lg-g3/

Then you got Tizen running 3-4 days more on the Gear2 Vs Android Wear running on the Gear Live.
No matter how you cut it, as long as Samsung can get the developer support, Tizen just has more potential than anything out there considering all the difference types of devices it can run on and is running on.

Touchhwiz does generally get better battery life (at least in comparison to bone stock android). It's performance and general fluidness where stock android has the edge IMO

 

[Billy95Tech]

In my opinion the biggest challenge will be to gain enough developers for its app store. That is what I think is the problem for windows phones right now.

That is why Windows RT flopped because of the lack top quality apps.

 

[Sevanw]

People go on about the stock android experience, but quite frankly, it's boring and lacks useful features. I believe Samsung was the one to introduce quick toggles. And now Android M will bring support for multiwindow and smart select. Which of course were first on Galaxy phones. Even the volume/sound control on stock android sucked. I honestly believe if Samsung kept their phones bone stock, they would not have been successful as they are.

 

[gotluck]

They wouldn't have been I agree. But if we are talking present time, with stock integrating many of the most desired features I don't think the performance hit on touchhwiz is worth it anymore, especially seeing how m is panning out.

 

[Sevanw]

They wouldn't have been I agree. But if we are talking present time, with stock integrating many of the most desired features I don't think the performance hit on touchhwiz is worth it anymore, especially seeing how m is panning out.

Which is probably why Samsung has started to put TW on a diet. I'm betting the SD card support will also come back to the GS line since Google has reversed is decision on SD card support. I also now have no doubt that the Note 5 will continue with SD card support. The other tonne of bloat that needs to go is all of Google's services other than YouTube and maps.

 

[gotluck]

Which is probably why Samsung has started to put TW on a diet. I'm betting the SD card support will also come back to the GS line since Google has reversed is decision on SD card support. I also now have no doubt that the Note 5 will continue with SD card support. The other tonne of bloat that needs to go is all of Google's services other than YouTube and maps.

As long as the system starts taking up less ram, I am happy. Stock would also require less testing, saving samsung money, and updates could be quick.

I remain convinced that the dream smartphone is samsung hardware with stock, or at least stockish android and Samsungs camera app.

I'm not a fan of bloat on either side, but the extra apps that can be disabled don't bother me so much. The problem is basically no matter what you do (besides removing framework stuff with root) you cant get touchhwiz system to stop using around half of your 3gb ram

 

[rosario1990]

In my opinion the biggest challenge will be to gain enough developers for its app store. That is what I think is the problem for windows phones right now.

I have same thinking like you.