MP 7,1 SBA Requires "Made in USA"?

[choreo]

I am trying to get an SBA loan. One of their requirements is that any equipment purchased with loan proceeds must be "Made in USA". I am assuming that the new Mac Pro would fit into that category, but what about all the peripherals I would need? I contacted OWC for instance and their Thunderbolt 3 external RAIDs are made in China and even the internal NVMEs like their Accelcior is made in Taiwan.

Where would I find anything to connect to a Mac Pro that is Made in USA?

 

[flowrider]

The final assembly point for the North American NcMP is indeed the USA, but it is filled with "stuff" from Asia. As far as peripherals for the 7,1 Mac Pro that are built in America - I know of none

See this:

Born in the USA: Computer Hardware Made in America - Newegg Business Smart Buyer

Are there any computers and hardware components made in America? A rundown of tech companies with US-based manufacturing.

www.neweggbusiness.com

Lou

 

[amedias]

"Made in USA" or "Made entirely in USA"

The former is what the 'assembled' bit covers, many companies in the US and elsewhere use this nomenclature to give the impression their products are locally manufactured when they are simply screwed together locally from a collection of globally sourced parts (some of which may be locally manufactured of course)

I think it extremely unlikely that you can build any modern consumer electronic goods without using components from various locations, many of which will be of Asian origin.

So, I think you need clarity on the rules first ;-)

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

The Mac Pro is "Assembled in USA" that means that no more than about 15%-20% of its content may be foreign.

PDF link to FTC see page 12/13

15 to 20 percent foreign content [...]is assembled in the U.S. An “Assembled in USA” claim is appropriate

 

[choreo]

"Made in USA" or "Made entirely in USA"

The former is what the 'assembled' bit covers, many companies in the US and elsewhere use this nomenclature to give the impression their products are locally manufactured when they are simply screwed together locally from a collection of globally sourced parts (some of which may be locally manufactured of course)

I think it extremely unlikely that you can build any modern consumer electronic goods without using components from various locations, many of which will be of Asian origin.

So, I think you need clarity on the rules first ;-)

I received the official documents tonight and they actually said something to the effect of "made in America wherever practical"... so that makes more sense.

 

[amedias]

The Mac Pro is "Assembled in USA" that means that no more than about 15%-20% of its content may be foreign.

15-20% by what... weight*? cost**? number** of components?

Without clarity and definition it's open to interpretation and manipulation of message, eg:

* put a bunch of lightweight electronics in a heavy case
** make sure the 'cost' of one of the US components is sufficiently high enough
*** 'motherboard'=1 foreign component, but local 'case'=42 parts and 172 screws ;-)

"made in America wherever practical"... so that makes more sense

That at least sounds more sensible and in keeping with reality

 

[OkiRun]

I received the official documents tonight and they actually said something to the effect of "made in America wherever practical"... so that makes more sense.

I don't t think there is a SBL auditor who would want to take on the 'where are apple pro computers made issue' just for your loan. Especially if your tracking documentation says shipped from Texas.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

15-20% by what... weight*? cost**? number** of components?

Without clarity and definition it's open to interpretation and manipulation of message, eg:

* put a bunch of lightweight electronics in a heavy case
** make sure the 'cost' of one of the US components is sufficiently high enough
*** 'motherboard'=1 foreign component, but local 'case'=42 parts and 172 screws ;-)



That at least sounds more sensible and in keeping with reality

I literally gave you the FTC document. And it’s by value. Feel free to read something before you go on a rant at me as if I owe you something.

youre confused. “Where practical“ is the requirement to get a govt loan. The 15-20% are FTC requirements to have the right to use the “assembled in USA” mark and if you don’t comply the FTC can fine or worse for deceptive trade practices.

 

[amedias]

I did read the doc and was just pointing out how such requirements can be manipulated.

There are similar vague and woolly rules in many other countries too and to an extent they ALL rely on a degree of subjective assessment precisely because the make up of goods varies so much between sectors and how far back in the chain of manufacturing you look.

The wider point being that except in the case of very ‘base’ products such claims about source of origin are largely irrelevant and it’s largely pointless to put any stock in them.