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Scrolling sucks on VisionOS
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pinch gesture sucks? You're like the only person that's said that. Are you like holding your arm out in front of you or something? Rest your hand on the desk/on your lap where it's comfortable and just flick your wrist while pinching. You don't need to fatigue your arm or hand unnecessarily, it can see and deal with these gestures from a resting position and the gestures can be a lot smaller/more subtle.
flicking a wrist sucks when compared to flicking a finger or two as I’ve been spoiled with iPhone, iPad and Magic trackpad/mouse. flicking a wrist is less precise and more tiring than tactile fingers.
Oh I see what you're saying. You're talking about scrolling a web page or through the App Store. Yeah, it can be annoying sometimes. I prefer to use the trackpad on my Mac or the Magic Trackpad.
You can use your mouse if it's connected to your Mac while you use Mac Virtual Display.
Meta has copied a lot from Apple since the Vision Pro was revealed, however, during the recent Meta Connect event, they revealed different UI implementation for scrolling on their futuristic Orion glasses
I don't know if this can only be enabled by a wrist-based neural interface but I hope Apple, or third parties like Mudra Band, adopts this feature.
I don't know if this can only be enabled by a wrist-based neural interface but I hope Apple, or third parties like Mudra Band, adopts this feature.
My first thought seeing this was “hey. Apple already makes a wrist based device with sensors all over it. Maybe a future version could do something like this”
But every time I hope Apple does something I just end up disappointed
What do we need a battery powered wrist band for? Your hand and eyes do it all. Scrolling is just "raise your hand and flicking in the screen" in front of you. I never pinch for scrolling.
Ok, grab a window is looking at it and then pinch the bar under the window. But - ok - just "think about something" will not activate any function.
Ok, grab a window is looking at it and then pinch the bar under the window. But - ok - just "think about something" will not activate any function.
Years ago, I would use BetterTouchTool to configure the
TV Remote as an 'air mouse' for the Mac. It was glorious... I just hope it doesn't take Apple as long to provide an appropriate tool for as they did to provide the Pencil for the iPad (5 years) or the iPhone (10+ years and still waiting)(you missed the point; I don't want a wrist band, I just want the gesture recognized)
"raise your hand and flicking in the screen" is like the worst UI. Steve Jobs pointed that out years ago:
and that was for physical screens not 'air screens' without any haptic feedback.I see your request regarding the gesture and steves remark. Still not figuring out, what it finally should become as gesture. If you are developer: write a short feedback in the App. If not: in short, what should Apple do? 2-3 simple sentences. I will post it as feedback.Years ago, I would use BetterTouchTool to configure the
(you missed the point; I don't want a wrist band, I just want the gesture recognized)
"raise your hand and flicking in the screen" is like the worst UI. Steve Jobs pointed that out years ago:
and that was for physical screens not 'air screens' without any haptic feedback.
Honestly something like this, a little wider and have it magnetically store on the headset somehow (maybe as a lens cover when stored? Or just attach to the battery.)
Would make interaction so much nicer and could be used as a virtual keyboard using object tracking to render the keys onto the surface.
I already posted an example (from Facebook's Orion presentation) of what should be the scrolling gesture :
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How to scroll on Apple devices:
iPhone - single finger swipe
iPad - single finger swipe
Apple Watch - single finger swipe (or roll digital crown)
Apple TV - single finger swipe (or press button)
Mac - two finger swipe
Vision Pro - pinch and drag to scroll or 'swipe' i.e. pinch and quickly flick your wrist to scroll quickly; tap to stop scrolling.
One of these is not like the others...
I want Apple to simplify scrolling on Vision Pro to one discrete action instead of two (pinching then dragging/flicking) that doesn't require moving the wrist, or at least the arm.
I don't care how they do it. Use the Vision Pro cameras to observe the fingers, require a ring/wristband/watch, make a controller, virtual trackpad or even, to refer back to your original comment, snap the virtual windows to a horizontal physical surface in the view and enable single finger swiping on that.
Between the scrolling, the distracting eye tracking and the non existent window management, I've been very disappointed in Vision Pro as browsing device
I see where you're coming from but at the same time I think Apple's implementation is really good because the flick doesn't need to be so dramatic. Scrolling around apps didn't require flicking my pinched fingers more than 2-3 inches up and down so I never got fatigue from the gestures... the headset itself on the other hand was fatiguing.
I know that one guy's "You're scrolling it wrong" comment was meant to be a joke but I actually agree with him unironically, I didn't find the visionOS scroll gestures to be noticeably more fatiguing than scrolling on an iPad with my thumb.
It sounds like you're not getting the device to recognize the gesture at all? That's strange, I only got that occasionally when the device couldn't see my hand, otherwise all the gestures worked almost flawlessly even when my gestures were subtle. I would dare say the hand/gesture recognition is the most impressive and finely tuned aspect of the device.
I know that one guy's "You're scrolling it wrong" comment was meant to be a joke but I actually agree with him unironically, I didn't find the visionOS scroll gestures to be noticeably more fatiguing than scrolling on an iPad with my thumb.
It sounds like you're not getting the device to recognize the gesture at all? That's strange, I only got that occasionally when the device couldn't see my hand, otherwise all the gestures worked almost flawlessly even when my gestures were subtle. I would dare say the hand/gesture recognition is the most impressive and finely tuned aspect of the device.