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jparker402

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Been reading about digital estate kinds of things. I use a MacBook Air with Photos app to store, edit, review, etc all my photos. While many in my family have iPhones, only one other has a Mac computer. If I want to prepare photo "albums" like our mothers use to prepare with Kodak camera prints for the sake of my descendants that use Windows machines, how do I prepare and transfer those photos from my Mac to their Windows machines? Are there apps that will transfer the jpegs with meta data (names, dates, titles, etc)? Are there ways to sort photos by topic prior to transfer (by subject's name, for example)? I am certain that there are more questions that I have overlooked so far. Want to do something a little "cleaner" and clearer than copying all kinds of jpegs indiscriminately to a memory stick or SSD and mailing it to them.
 

jwolf6589

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Been reading about digital estate kinds of things. I use a MacBook Air with Photos app to store, edit, review, etc all my photos. While many in my family have iPhones, only one other has a Mac computer. If I want to prepare photo "albums" like our mothers use to prepare with Kodak camera prints for the sake of my descendants that use Windows machines, how do I prepare and transfer those photos from my Mac to their Windows machines? Are there apps that will transfer the jpegs with meta data (names, dates, titles, etc)? Are there ways to sort photos by topic prior to transfer (by subject's name, for example)? I am certain that there are more questions that I have overlooked so far. Want to do something a little "cleaner" and clearer than copying all kinds of jpegs indiscriminately to a memory stick or SSD and mailing it to them.
Have you tried emailing the photos?
 

jparker402

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Have you tried emailing the photos?
I do email photos and send them by text, particularly if I get something new. And in the email or text for one or two photos I can provide the who-what-when-where-why for reference. But here I am thinking about "bequeathing" several thousand photos. Probably ought to ask the family members on Windows what program/app they use to store photos.
 

Darmok N Jalad

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Something I do with Photos is create a shared folder for each year, and I put the photos I deem worthy of sharing in that shared folder. I believe that you can even share these folders with non-Apple users via an email link that allows them to be used via a browser. From there they could save what they'd like. I think the challenge becomes what happens when you are no longer a paying iCloud customer, but as long as you are able to pass that content on to another user, then your shared albums should remain as long as someone pays for iCloud.
 

Fishrrman

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Something you could do...

- Buy or put together (on your own) an external USB drive. Perhaps a 2.5" SATA drive in an external USB3 enclosure. Could be SSD or platter-based. I almost think that -- over time -- a platter based drive might actually last longer. An SSD may require "refreshing" periodically, whereas a platter-based drive may not.

- Format it to exFat -- NOT a Mac OS format (HFS+ or APFS). Now the drive should be "mountable" on both Macs and Windows.

- Begin assembling a "legacy photo library" on that drive. The pics should be in "jpg" format, so that they are easily readable by just about anybody. Update it from time to time.

- Organize the photos in way that should be understandable and meaningful to whomever you would wish to see them.

- Store this drive in a place that will be "obvious" to someone handling your personal affairs after you are no longer here. You might enclose it in an envelope along with printed documentation about what it is and how to access it.

- Include a note to be kept along with your will that the drive exists and where to find it.
 

jparker402

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Something you could do...

- Buy or put together (on your own) an external USB drive. Perhaps a 2.5" SATA drive in an external USB3 enclosure. Could be SSD or platter-based. I almost think that -- over time -- a platter based drive might actually last longer. An SSD may require "refreshing" periodically, whereas a platter-based drive may not.

- Format it to exFat -- NOT a Mac OS format (HFS+ or APFS). Now the drive should be "mountable" on both Macs and Windows.

- Begin assembling a "legacy photo library" on that drive. The pics should be in "jpg" format, so that they are easily readable by just about anybody. Update it from time to time.

- Organize the photos in way that should be understandable and meaningful to whomever you would wish to see them.

- Store this drive in a place that will be "obvious" to someone handling your personal affairs after you are no longer here. You might enclose it in an envelope along with printed documentation about what it is and how to access it.

- Include a note to be kept along with your will that the drive exists and where to find it.
Great idea! Thank you!
 

RhetTbull

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Apr 18, 2022
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Los Angeles, CA
Something you could do...

- Buy or put together (on your own) an external USB drive. Perhaps a 2.5" SATA drive in an external USB3 enclosure. Could be SSD or platter-based. I almost think that -- over time -- a platter based drive might actually last longer. An SSD may require "refreshing" periodically, whereas a platter-based drive may not.

- Format it to exFat -- NOT a Mac OS format (HFS+ or APFS). Now the drive should be "mountable" on both Macs and Windows.

- Begin assembling a "legacy photo library" on that drive. The pics should be in "jpg" format, so that they are easily readable by just about anybody. Update it from time to time.

- Organize the photos in way that should be understandable and meaningful to whomever you would wish to see them.

- Store this drive in a place that will be "obvious" to someone handling your personal affairs after you are no longer here. You might enclose it in an envelope along with printed documentation about what it is and how to access it.

- Include a note to be kept along with your will that the drive exists and where to find it.
I like this suggestion but would also keep a copy in a shared cloud location (like Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive) that is shared with trusted persons.

I am the author of the free open source app osxphotos that can export photos (along with all associated metadata) from Photos and you can use that to make this process fairly automatic. For example, here's a workflow that would work:

1. Create an album in Photos (for example "Legacy Photos") and put all photos you want to keep in that album.
2. Run osxphotos to export the photos periodically (it's a command line tool that needs to be run from Terminal, but you could automate it to run periodically)

osxphotos is very flexible and can update an export (e.g. only export newly added photos) as well as convert to jpeg (so someone on Windows can view all the HIEC images, etc.) and do a lot of other useful things. For example, here's a sample command:

osxphotos export /Volumes/external_legacy_disk --update --directory "{created.year}/{created.month}" --filename "{original_name}-{created.year}-{created.mm}-{created.dd}" --convert-to-jpeg --skip-original-if-edited --exiftool --person-keyword --sidecar XMP --jpeg-ext jpg --album "Legacy Photos"

Here's what each of those options means:
--update = only export photos that are new or modified since the last export

--directory "{created.year}/{created.month}" = export photos to directory named in "year/month" format, e.g. "2022/April" depending on date photo was created

--filename "{original_name}-{created.year}-{created.mm}-{created.dd}" = name each photo with it's original name (e.g. 'IMG_1234.jpg') followed by year-month-day it was created, e.g. 'IMG_1234-2022-04-23.jpg'

--convert-to-jpeg = convert any non-jpeg images to jpeg for compatibility

--skip-original-if-edited = if photo has been edited, export only the edited version, not the original

--exiftool = use the 3rd party exiftool app to write all metadata such as keywords, persons, etc to the EXIF metadata of the exported image. Preserving the names of people in the photos is important for legacy images.

--person-keyword = Use person names as keywords as not all image viewing apps recognize person metadata in images

--sidecar XMP = also write XMP formatted sidecar files alongside each image with all the metadata. These can be read by apps like Adobe Lightroom.

--jpeg-ext jpg = use 'jpg' as the extension of all jpeg images (Photos tends to use '.jpeg' which is not as widely recognized by some Windows viewers)

--album "Legacy Photos" = only export photos from the "Legacy Photos" album
 
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Fishrrman

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I disagree with RhetTbull in the reply above.

Your instructions are far too complicated.

A "photos legacy drive" should be something physical, put together so "simply" that just about anyone "on the street" could literally pick up the drive, connect it to a computer, and figure out how to access what's on it.

The idea here is to create a device that is EASY to access and use.
This is what I would want for photos that "I leave behind me".

Could work the same for music, personal documents (such as writing), etc.

Having said that, it would be advantageous to have some kind of "online site" where ordinary people could upload "digital items from their lives" to be held for others to find in perpetuity.

Kind of like how "findagrave.com" works, but rather than memorials, it might contain "records from one's life" in the form of pics, music, writings, etc.

I reckon that would take a BIG server!
 

RhetTbull

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Apr 18, 2022
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> I disagree with RhetTbull in the reply above.
> Your instructions are far too complicated.

My instructions are complex but the end result is something easy to use and access and that is easy to be kept up to date. A bunch of photos on a drive isn't nearly as valuable as a bunch of photos organized by people, places, etc. with context for the photos. @jparker402 stated he was already using Photos app to store his photos. Getting the data out of Photos in a way that's easy to update and preserves important metadata was the point of my post. If you export the important photos once then don't do it again for 10 years, it's not as valuable as something kept up to date.

Also, just to clear I wasn't saying don't use a physical drive. I said "also keep a copy in a shared cloud location". Drives get lost, damaged, etc. You can easily (and for free) set up a shared cloud drive that members of family and friends have access to.
 
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