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LannyLimp

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I’m wondering since others had problems with the previous generations.
 

ApfelKuchen

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Something went wrong for some people, so you worry that you'll be one of the lucky few to have the same thing go wrong?

This particular defect is as rare as a million other things that might go wrong in your life. If you're not equally worried about those, why worry about this one?
 
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LannyLimp

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Oct 20, 2021
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Something went wrong for some people, so you worry that you'll be one of the lucky few to have the same thing go wrong?

This particular defect is as rare as a million other things that might go wrong in your life. If you're not equally worried about those, why worry about this one?
It’s because I had a similar issue a few months back and I feel like I could have a similar issue again. It caused me more stress than other issues in general which is why I created this thread.
 

hg.wells

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But until you receive it you don’t know and also can’t do anything. So don’t worry until it actually shows up, and then if there’s an issue you can do something about it. Try not to stress about things that haven’t happened.
 

ericwn

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Apr 24, 2016
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Stuff that’s produced in the millions can sometimes have issues.
But if you have stress issues because of that maybe consider getting another product or don’t buy at all. Nothing Apple makes is worth getting stressed out over.
 

0128672

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All of your posts so far here on MR have asked similar questions about dust and a dead pixel in other Apple products, none of which you apparently have under warranty or AC+. Whatever you buy next, also buy AC+ for them and keep it on until you sell or trade it in. That might give you some peace of mind.
 
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ApfelKuchen

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It’s because I had a similar issue a few months back and I feel like I could have a similar issue again. It caused me more stress than other issues in general which is why I created this thread.
That's not what you said initially. You described other people's experience, not your own.

Sure, "once bitten, twice cautious." It's human nature. Still, that old saying can be countered with, "Lighting doesn't strike twice in the same place."

Now, it's been shown that lightning can strike twice in the same place, but it's a statistically rare phenomenon.

For me, that's what fretting over the possibility of product defects comes down to. Yes, product defects do happen. It's an imperfect world. The question becomes, "How frequently do they happen?"

I have general faith that manufacturers have a vested interest in minimizing defects. The cost of correcting defects is high. While some level of defects is inevitable, companies like to reduce those costs from one year to the next because they like to increase profits every year.

This isn't a half-empty/half-full proposition. The odds of receiving a defective new product are very low. The odds of receiving two defective products in a row are even lower. We can either worry about being one of the "lucky" few, or accept that whatever may go wrong next, it won't be the thing we expect to go wrong. That's the nature of Murphy's Law, also known as "Murphy's Law of Random Perversity."
 
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samven582

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All of your posts so far here on MR have asked similar questions about dust and a dead pixel in other Apple products, none of which you apparently have under warranty or AC+. Whatever you buy next, also buy AC+ for them and keep it on until you sell or trade it in. That might give you some peace of mind.
I disagree. This topic needs to be talk more about
 

samven582

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Jan 2, 2009
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That's not what you said initially. You described other people's experience, not your own.

Sure, "once bitten, twice cautious." It's human nature. Still, that old saying can be countered with, "Lighting doesn't strike twice in the same place."

Now, it's been shown that lightning can strike twice in the same place, but it's a statistically rare phenomenon.

For me, that's what fretting over the possibility of product defects comes down to. Yes, product defects do happen. It's an imperfect world. The question becomes, "How frequently do they happen?"

I have general faith that manufacturers have a vested interest in minimizing defects. The cost of correcting defects is high. While some level of defects is inevitable, companies like to reduce those costs from one year to the next because they like to increase profits every year.

This isn't a half-empty/half-full proposition. The odds of receiving a defective new product are very low. The odds of receiving two defective products in a row are even lower. We can either worry about being one of the "lucky" few, or accept that whatever may go wrong next, it won't be the thing we expect to go wrong. That's the nature of Murphy's Law, also known as "Murphy's Law of Random Perversity."
disagree. I received many iPhones/iPads with with camera dust
 

ApfelKuchen

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disagree. I received many iPhones/iPads with with camera dust
Many? Perhaps you're a dust magnet. ;-)

iPhones and iPads and their camera assemblies are sealed units, assembled in dust-controlled environments. I've seen countless images of workers clad head-to-toe in protective gear, including masks, because dead skin sloughing off human beings is a major source of dust. The machines are assembled in sealed facilities with filtered air being constantly pumped in to positive-air-pressure spaces (where the internal air pressure is higher than the surrounding natural environment) all to avoid dust infiltration. Yet "many" of your devices are plagued by dust infiltration? You'd think they were being assembled in the open air of the Gobi Desert.

Ah, the good old days of analog photography, where dust settled on lenses, SLR mirrors, and drying photographic negatives and prints. The days when the last step before inserting a negative holder into an enlarger was a quick spray of compressed air. One of the joyful benefits of scanning some of my old prints from the early '70s (alas, the negatives are long lost) has been digitally excising the dust in a matter of moments (hand-retouching back in the day was an time-consuming art in its own right). Despite the coarse halftone screens used in high school newspapers and yearbooks, dust was still an obvious presence in many images that were published in my youth. And today's DSLRs and other interchangeable-lens digitals are still subject to dust infiltration whenever a lens is changed, their lenses still accumulating dust by simply being exposed to the open air.

I have to wonder, what would I do to detect dust on an iPhone's image sensors? Peer as I might into the lens openings of my devices, the only dust I see is on the surface of the lens covers.
 

LannyLimp

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Oct 20, 2021
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That's not what you said initially. You described other people's experience, not your own.

Sure, "once bitten, twice cautious." It's human nature. Still, that old saying can be countered with, "Lighting doesn't strike twice in the same place."

Now, it's been shown that lightning can strike twice in the same place, but it's a statistically rare phenomenon.

For me, that's what fretting over the possibility of product defects comes down to. Yes, product defects do happen. It's an imperfect world. The question becomes, "How frequently do they happen?"

I have general faith that manufacturers have a vested interest in minimizing defects. The cost of correcting defects is high. While some level of defects is inevitable, companies like to reduce those costs from one year to the next because they like to increase profits every year.

This isn't a half-empty/half-full proposition. The odds of receiving a defective new product are very low. The odds of receiving two defective products in a row are even lower. We can either worry about being one of the "lucky" few, or accept that whatever may go wrong next, it won't be the thing we expect to go wrong. That's the nature of Murphy's Law, also known as "Murphy's Law of Random Perversity."
Good points, this helped me rethink in a different way.
 
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samven582

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Many? Perhaps you're a dust magnet. ;-)

iPhones and iPads and their camera assemblies are sealed units, assembled in dust-controlled environments. I've seen countless images of workers clad head-to-toe in protective gear, including masks, because dead skin sloughing off human beings is a major source of dust. The machines are assembled in sealed facilities with filtered air being constantly pumped in to positive-air-pressure spaces (where the internal air pressure is higher than the surrounding natural environment) all to avoid dust infiltration. Yet "many" of your devices are plagued by dust infiltration? You'd think they were being assembled in the open air of the Gobi Desert.

Ah, the good old days of analog photography, where dust settled on lenses, SLR mirrors, and drying photographic negatives and prints. The days when the last step before inserting a negative holder into an enlarger was a quick spray of compressed air. One of the joyful benefits of scanning some of my old prints from the early '70s (alas, the negatives are long lost) has been digitally excising the dust in a matter of moments (hand-retouching back in the day was an time-consuming art in its own right). Despite the coarse halftone screens used in high school newspapers and yearbooks, dust was still an obvious presence in many images that were published in my youth. And today's DSLRs and other interchangeable-lens digitals are still subject to dust infiltration whenever a lens is changed, their lenses still accumulating dust by simply being exposed to the open air.

I have to wonder, what would I do to detect dust on an iPhone's image sensors? Peer as I might into the lens openings of my devices, the only dust I see is on the surface of the lens covers.
you don't know what you're talking about
 

Sensamic

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Mar 26, 2010
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I’ve had three iPads with defects in a row. Apples quality nowadays is terrible.

First was an iPad Air with very visible two dead pixels. Next was an iPad 9 with a dent in the chassis and three dead pixels not so visible. Returned because of the dent, not the dead pixels.

Third is again an iPad Air. Has dust under the screen. No dead pixels. Will return.

I’m getting tired of getting these defective devices.
 

MBAir2010

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May 30, 2018
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there
the ashes the entered under the screen on the iPad
form burning furniture in 2020 while watching the broncos outside
have no effect on the iPad
besides ios15
 
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