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jeremy1988

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So, I'm in an interesting situation. I've been a Windows Mobile/Phone OS user since 2004 (and was one of the few people to buy a Zune instead of an iPod back in the day), and I've never owned an Android or iOS device. I currently own a two-year old Windows 10 Mobile device (Alcatel 4S Idol). Support for Windows 10 Mobile is ending in December 2019, so I'm basically being told by Microsoft. "We tried, we failed, it's time for you to choose which company you hate less between Apple and Google. Sorry. We'll give you a couple years to decide." I kept hoping the rumors about a Surface Phone/Andromeda were true, but nothing ever really came of that.

The majority of my friends use Android devices, and they have nothing good to say about Apple. Even most people in my Windows 10 Mobile community that have moved on picked Android. I myself wasn't a fan of a lot of things Apple pioneered. I wasn't on board with killing off Flash, removing physical keyboards, capacitive touch that requires me to use fat fingers, removing the headphone jack, etc. And while I still don't like those things, I'm realizing it doesn't actually matter that I don't like them because I don't have a choice anymore. Android and even Microsoft always moved towards implementing pretty much everything I didn't like, just later. When Google made fun of Apple for removing the headphone jack, they turned right around and did the same thing not too long afterwards. That's an example of why I dislike Android... they always claim they're going to not do the stuff Apple did and give us an alternative, and then they just turn around and do it. At least Apple is honest by comparison. The last decade has borne that out.

The only thing I've really heard about iPhone that concerns me is that the batteries aren't replaceable. I usually replace my phone batteries after a couple of years, especially when I buy an expensive device that I don't see as disposable. But honestly, in spite of all the negative stuff I've heard about Apple, I'm still leaning towards an iPhone right now because Android has poor security compared to both Windows Phone and iOS, and also because Google/Alphabet has reached alarming levels of vertical integration and I don't trust them at all. Between the two companies, I'd have to say Apple has been pretty up front about what they're going to do even if it was stuff I didn't like. It's the difference between disliking a company and distrusting a company. I'm not terribly fond of Apple, but Google is a company that I can't even remotely trust. And when it comes down to it, Apple hasn't given me a good reason to distrust them. Love them or hate them, you know exactly what you're getting. And generally speaking, the premium product is usually the one that's more secure, and Apple is definitely targeting the high-end market.

You might wonder why I'm asking here instead of on a more neutral forum. Well, the thing is, I've already heard the anti-Apple side of things dozens of times, so I wanted to come here and hear a more pro-Apple take on the iPhone so I can get a sense of what's good about it, and why people use it over Android. Other than security concerns and just disliking Google/Alphabet, which is my main motivation currently for considering it. I also want to ask people with iPhone experience whether I really need to save up for the latest iPhone between now and December 2019, or whether it's practical to get an iPhone 7 and stay a generation behind if I'm not going to be too demanding on my phone.
 
No modern flagship / mid level phones have changeable battery setup. That type of devices are long dead.

Your post was really long and I didn’t really finish it all but give it a go anyway. You never know with such things until you try them yourself.
 
Try both android and apple and see which you prefer. Only you yourself will make the final call. If you ask me iPhone all the way!
 
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It’s true that the batteries aren’t easily replaceable in the same way they were in older cell phones where you could just clip a new one into place, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be replaced at all. The new pricing for battery replacement at the Apple store makes it more affordable than ever to replace the battery in your iPhone after a couple years and just keep using it. If you are the type to hold onto cell phones for longer than a couple years iPhone seems like a better investment than an Android phone due to Apple’s much longer software support (currently 5+ years).
 
Apple has a 14 day 'no questions asked' return policy. Try one of the new phones. If after 13 days you find it isn't for you, return it and get another model or go Android. It is your money. It is your choice.
 
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BlackBerry Keyone or Keytwo (new this year) has physical keyboard, headphone jack, Sd card slot and has one of the most secure servers out there. They do use Android OS now but it’s a stock version. No removable battery though, most are getting rid of that in favour of ip ratings for dust/water resistance.
 
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If you want something that is easy, just works and is simple, yet amazingly functional, buy Apple.

If you want something that you can tinker with to the n'th degree and modify in weird and wonderful ways and enjoy the really nerdy (in a good way) modding scene, buy Android.

If you value privacy (and it seems you do), then Apple. Not even a discussion.

Edit: For what it's worth, I was also a Zune user (Zune80 was an amazing device) and I Had a Windows Phone - a big blue Nokia. It was brilliant and if it had apps it would've been perfect. I still loved my iPhone, but Windows Phone was brilliantly unique.
 
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It’s true that the batteries aren’t easily replaceable in the same way they were in older cell phones where you could just clip a new one into place, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be replaced at all. The new pricing for battery replacement at the Apple store makes it more affordable than ever to replace the battery in your iPhone after a couple years and just keep using it. If you are the type to hold onto cell phones for longer than a couple years iPhone seems like a better investment than an Android phone due to Apple’s much longer software support (currently 5+ years).

The battery replacement scheme is ending at the end of this year.
 
It’s true that the batteries aren’t easily replaceable in the same way they were in older cell phones where you could just clip a new one into place, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be replaced at all. The new pricing for battery replacement at the Apple store makes it more affordable than ever to replace the battery in your iPhone after a couple years and just keep using it. If you are the type to hold onto cell phones for longer than a couple years iPhone seems like a better investment than an Android phone due to Apple’s much longer software support (currently 5+ years).


This definitely does help me a lot. My understanding was that non-replaceable meant that if the battery went, the phone had to be thrown out. It looks like in this case, it actually can be replaced by the manufacturer.

I definitely do see my phone as an investment and usually want keep them for around 3 or 4 years, and I didn't know Apple was better about supporting devices over a longer period of time. That's definitely something I'll keep in mind, because my biggest problem with Microsoft is that they would make these wonderful devices or services, and then keep sunsetting support for them when they didn't take off immediately.

I've also heard from friends that use Android that a lot of times they have to buy a new phone because the carrier and manufacturer don't always roll out Android updates to their old phone, and cheaper Android devices are basically stuck with the version they come with for life.

BlackBerry Keyone or Keytwo (new this year) has physical keyboard, headphone jack, Sd card slot and has one of the most secure servers out there. They do use Android OS now but it’s a stock version. No removable battery though, most are getting rid of that in favour of ip ratings for dust/water resistance.

You must have read my mind, because that was the only Android device that interested me at all. But yeah, I'm not surprised to hear about the removable battery thing going away, because like I said in my post... the other manufacturers always eventually do whatever Apple does, even if people don't like it.

If you want something that is easy, just works and is simple, yet amazingly functional, buy Apple.

If you want something that you can tinker with to the n'th degree and modify in weird and wonderful ways and enjoy the really nerdy (in a good way) modding scene, buy Android.

If you value privacy (and it seems you do), then Apple. Not even a discussion.

Edit: For what it's worth, I was also a Zune user (Zune80 was an amazing device) and I Had a Windows Phone - a big blue Nokia. It was brilliant and if it had apps it would've been perfect. I still loved my iPhone, but Windows Phone was brilliantly unique.

Yeah, it seems like privacy is going to be a big deciding factor for me. And yeah, I really liked my Lumia 920 while it lasted. I really liked the live tiles, and it had a great camera. It's clear looking back that they needed Windows 10 and the UWP concept to be ready in 2008, not 2015.
 
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Speaking as somebody who has owned many iPhones, I would say that this year’s offering is the most compelling to date. Go for it. There’s never been a better time.
 
Want a more secure platform? Apple.

Want a device that will IMMEDIATELY have OS updates available for it for years to come? Apple.

And you can replace the battery...you just have to pay Apple to do it which is 20-30 bucks - no biggie
 
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