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Siri No Longer Gives the Dew Point in 15.6?

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Prior to today, when I've asked Siri the dew point, I got a response of the current dew point at my location. Yesterday I updated to 15.6 on my 12 Pro. When I asked Siri for the dew point today, all I got was "I found this on the web for what's the dew point. Check it out." And I got a list of web sites that explain what dew point means.

Temporary problem, or change in 15.6?

Edit: I had my wife try this on her iPhone, which is still on 15.5. Same problem.
 
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Yup I've noticed the same change. Rolled my eyes at Siri becoming even more useless. I got around it by appending "outside" to the end, e.g.: "What's the dewpoint outside?"
 
chrisgl said:
Yup I've noticed the same change. Rolled my eyes at Siri becoming even more useless. I got around it by appending "outside" to the end, e.g.: "What's the dewpoint outside?"
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Actually, nevermind! It's gotten even worse: I can't get Siri to give me the dewpoint at all anymore. "What's the dewpoint" + "outside", my location, and various other tricks just have it bring up a list of search results.
 
jetsam said:
I submitted a bug report to:

www.apple.com

Feedback - iPhone

Apple wants to hear from you. Send us your comments and feedback about iPhone.
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I just submitted a report too. This is infuriating. I live in Arizona and have both AC and evaporative cooling. Dew point is important to know when it comes to deciding if the evaporative cooler will be effective or not, and now Siri is virtually useless in providing it, including on my Apple Watch. I wrote “virtually” as if I mention my city the list of “I found this on the web” does include the actual dewpoint for my city buried in the search results, without having to tap a link, but that’s more cumbersome than just using my weather app (Wunderground). On my Apple Watch the text showing the dew point is so tiny and buried in other text that it’s practically pointless to use (and, again, I have to remember to include my city when asking).

It sucks enough that Siri has barely progressed in over a decade, but losing an often used feature is a slap in the face.
 
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“Hey Siri… tell me the dew point of my city” seems to work reliable on every 15.6 device I tried.
 
Tinmania said:
I just submitted a report too. This is infuriating. I live in Arizona and have both AC and evaporative cooling. Dew point is important to know when it comes to deciding if the evaporative cooler will be effective or not, and now Siri is virtually useless in providing it, including on my Apple Watch. I wrote “virtually” as if I mention my city the list of “I found this on the web” does include the actual dewpoint for my city buried in the search results, without having to tap a link, but that’s more cumbersome than just using my weather app (Wunderground). On my Apple Watch the text showing the dew point is so tiny and buried in other text that it’s practically pointless to use (and, again, I have to remember to include my city when asking).

It sucks enough that Siri has barely progressed in over a decade, but losing an often used feature is a slap in the face.
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I was going to ask about the reasons some people want to know about the dew point.
 
Slartibart said:
“Hey Siri… tell me the dew point of my city” seems to work reliable on every 15.6 device I tried.
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I asked that exact question once and got my local dew point. Asked again immediately and got web results. Weird!
 
ML probably comes to the conclusion that the first answer isn’t right, therefore it switches to web results. Anyway, know we know 🤓
 
After 15.6 & 8.7 were updated both together, my responses actually regressed slowly.
  • Before the updates it worked by just asking, "What's the dewpoint?"
  • Then after the updates, that stopped working and it worked when I asked "What's the dewpoint on the weather app?"
  • Then that stopped working and no other choice of words worked, including asking in my city/state
  • Another work around actually would be comical, if it wasn't so infuriating. I asked "what's the dewpoint temperature?" and the reply was, "I can only answer one weather fact at a time."
Dewpoint is how it really feels outside. You can be out on a 95F degree day with 20% humidity and have a dewpoint temperature only being 48F, which is very comfortable.

Now I've gone from not updating to iOS 16 until this time next year to I don't know what the heck I'm going to do because stuff like this sucks.

Without tapping my AccuWeather widget on the home page of my phone there is no way I can get the dewpoint information on my watch alone, which was super convenient because I don't drag my iPhone everywhere.
 
spartan1967 said:
After 15.6 & 8.7 were updated both together, my responses actually regressed slowly.
  • Before the updates it worked by just asking, "What's the dewpoint?"
  • Then after the updates, that stopped working and it worked when I asked "What's the dewpoint on the weather app?"
  • Then that stopped working and no other choice of words worked, including asking in my city/state
  • Another work around actually would be comical, if it wasn't so infuriating. I asked "what's the dewpoint temperature?" and the reply was, "I can only answer one weather fact at a time."
Dewpoint is how it really feels outside. You can be out on a 95F degree day with 20% humidity and have a dewpoint temperature only being 48F, which is very comfortable.

Now I've gone from not updating to iOS 16 until this time next year to I don't know what the heck I'm going to do because stuff like this sucks.

Without tapping my AccuWeather widget on the home page of my phone there is no way I can get the dewpoint information on my watch alone, which was super convenient because I don't drag my iPhone everywhere.
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More info: Tried the aforementioned on a 1st Gen SE I have that is on 15.5 & the same issues, so it is looking like a general Siri regression and not software version related.
 
spartan1967 said:
Dewpoint is how it really feels outside.
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Just for the protocol: that’s not what the Dewpoint is.

Siri-related: I have no problem to get correct answers from Siri for "Hey Siri… what’s the dewpoint outside", "Hey Siri… what’s the dewpoint", or "Hey Siri… what’s the dewpoint in …" - asking "Hey Siri… what’s the dew point in my city?" let her refer me to the web.

iPhone SE 22, 11, 12, 7th, 9th iPads, 11” 2020&21 iPPs and Airs - all on iOS/iPadOS 15.6.

I actually just shouted the first phrase above into a room with 30 different iPads layed out for a meeting and checked - every single one of them had Siri displaying the dewpoint for the city I’m in. 🤜🤛😂🤣😃
 
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Slartibart said:
Just for the protocol: that’s not what the Dewpoint is.

Siri-related: I have no problem to get correct answers from Siri for "Hey Siri… what’s the dewpoint outside", "Hey Siri… what’s the dewpoint", or "Hey Siri… what’s the dewpoint in …" - asking "Hey Siri… what’s the dew point in my city?" let her refer me to the web.

iPhone SE 22, 11, 12, 7th, 9th iPads, 11” 2020&21 iPPs and Airs - all on iOS/iPadOS 15.6.

I actually just shouted the first phrase above into a room with 30 different iPads layed out for a meeting and checked - every single one of them had Siri displaying the dewpoint for the city I’m in. 🤜🤛😂🤣😃
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We must be in alternate universes. On an 85F day, I would spend all day outside if the Dewpoint was 55F and spend all day inside if the Dewpoint was 75F, because the reading would dictate how I would feel outside in both scenarios.

I would feel cool with my perspiration not condensing on me, cooling me rapidly vs dripping off my face and soaking my shirt in minutes. Same with all of your devices responding correctly with the Dewpoint question, as none of mine yielded the correct answers you got with the ways you asked.
 
spartan1967 said:
We must be in alternate universes. On an 85F day, I would spend all day outside if the Dewpoint was 55F and spend all day inside if the Dewpoint was 75F, because the reading would dictate how I would feel outside in both scenarios.
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Fairenough, but in this universe the dew point is (simply put) the temperature at which the water vapor in the air naturally condenses into liquid water. When the temperature and the dew point are the same, dew forms on surfaces such as grass, trees, etc… or oneself.

You can find more information, including a simplified formula to calculate it in Mark G. Lawrence , ‘The Relationship between Relative Humidity and the Dewpoint Temperature in Moist Air: A Simple Conversion and Applications’, Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 2005. 🤓
 
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Ugh. Still not working in just about any oddly syntaxed way to ask for it. I sent in a bug report on their feedback site. I suggest you do the same.
 
I just now asked Siri what the dew point is in my city, saying the city name, and she just referred me to a web page.
 
These capability inconsistencies are why I stopped regularly utilizing Siri, which is disappointing. And, yes, Siri no longer providing information is not always a privacy problem/limit (e.g. not enabling access to location data).

Anyway… A compromised solution to the other half of the problem:

If you have an Apple Watch, use the Dock and an app such as MyRadar (App Store page).

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Mine does not show quite that large. However, still large enough to see at a glance.
 
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I found an app called Forecast Bar that has an 🍏 watch app. It gives a Dew Point complication in most configurations, but not all.

edit: subscription is needed after a 7-day trial. boo.
 
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MacCheetah3 said:
These capability inconsistencies are why I stopped regularly utilizing Siri, which is disappointing. And, yes, Siri no longer providing information is not always a privacy problem/limit (e.g. not enabling access to location data).

Anyway… A compromised solution to the other half of the problem:

If you have an Apple Watch, use the Dock and an app such as MyRadar (App Store page).

460x0w.webp


Mine does not show quite that large. However, still large enough to see at a glance.
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Wanted to give a little more than a thumbs up with this most insightful post. Downloaded, docked, and now configured to when I tap, current dew point is front and center. Thank you.
 
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