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I was not sure where to start this discussion....

I have put off upgrading my MacBook Air for quite a few years now, but I do not think I can put up upgrading for too much longer. I have not kept up with MacBook Air's that came out after I bought mine some years back, and I wanted to ask those of you who keep up with sort of thing about small and big leaps forward.

What I mean is, have there been any versions that constituted a really big leap ahead from the previous version, or do most versions mainly have small leaps ahead in general things like speed, memory, etc.? Is the 2025 a big leap forward likely to be followed by smaller leaps over the next 2-3 or more years? Or was the last big leap say, in 2020, and we should not expect another really big for a few more years?

I hope this question makes sense. It is hard to put into words. I am not that knowledgeable about computers, iPhones, and other technology.

Thanks! 🙏
 
The biggest bumps were:
#1 late 2020: M1 did amazing things for 13”
#2 mid 2022: M2 was a modest jump, but the return of MagSafe was big for the Air.
#3: late 2024: 16GB ram standard was a major bump for off-the-shelf configurations (this was a mid-cycle bump)
#4: early 2025: M4 was a very respectable performance bump.

I’m not expecting late 2025 or 2026 to make the top-3 list, but Apple sometimes surprises me.
 
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Excellent summation by @padams35.

The only thing I’ll add is the 15” option in 2023 (M2) and its successors; worthy of consideration since it’s only slightly larger & heavier overall than the Intel 13” (depending on exactly which one you have currently); but the extra 2” of display can make a WORLD of difference.

Personally, I consider the current 13” Air to be a replacement for the older 11”; and the 15” a replacement for the older 13”.
 
Yes, I agree, FreakinEurekan, thank you padams35. Excellent!

My MacBook Air is from 2011. I think it is considered "mid 2011." Basically, it still does all I need it to do saver for two things. I have run out of storage, and I cannot update the OS any further past High Sierra 10.13.6. Not being able to upgrade the OS any further is now starting to cause problems with my primary browser, Brave. I have been using Chrome in spots for Brave, but I prefer Brave overall. I really hoped I could squeeze another 5-6 years out of this laptop.
 
Get an Apple refurbished MacBook Pro m4 from the online store.
Either 24 or 32gb RAM.
512gb or 1tb SSD.

Then you'll be set for a good 7 years more...
 
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Something I have wondered about lately is how far in advance does Apple know what it can offer? Do they hold back on small or even large improvements now on the latest models with the intention of adding those withheld improvements in 2026, 2027, etc?

For example, do they know that they have a big leap forward from the current new models, but they plan to wait to release a model with those leaps next year? In other words, are they putting everything they have into the newest models?
 
Yes, I agree, FreakinEurekan, thank you padams35. Excellent!

My MacBook Air is from 2011. I think it is considered "mid 2011." Basically, it still does all I need it to do saver for two things. I have run out of storage, and I cannot update the OS any further past High Sierra 10.13.6. Not being able to upgrade the OS any further is now starting to cause problems with my primary browser, Brave. I have been using Chrome in spots for Brave, but I prefer Brave overall. I really hoped I could squeeze another 5-6 years out of this laptop.
2011 is quite long in the tooth for a computer! Any M series MacBook will be a MONUMENTAL leap for you. If you can go to an Apple Store or best buy, try this: open the application folder, select all, and then Cmd-O to open ALL applications. You will be shocked at how much faster it is than your 2011 machine.

As far as major leaps, I would argue that the M series chips have been mostly incremental, but the M4 is still much faster than the M1.
 
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Hi Cameront9. Yes, my Air is quite long in the tooth as you say, but I have to use my things for as long as I can. As a retired person living on a quite small income from SS, I do not have a great deal of disposable income left over once I pay rent, utilities, insurance, food, etc., etc. A new computer is a HUGE purchase for me, and once I commit, I know it will have to last me for quite a long time.

This is why I am giving the M4 model long and hard thought. I now wonder if I should put this off until November because there may be some more incentive to purchase shortly before Christmas. What does everyone think about that?

My first iPhone was a 5s (I think). I finally upgraded to an 8, but the 8 was already an older model at time I bought it. It, too, has to last me as long as possible.
 
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Yes, I agree, FreakinEurekan, thank you padams35. Excellent!

My MacBook Air is from 2011. I think it is considered "mid 2011." Basically, it still does all I need it to do saver for two things. I have run out of storage, and I cannot update the OS any further past High Sierra 10.13.6. Not being able to upgrade the OS any further is now starting to cause problems with my primary browser, Brave. I have been using Chrome in spots for Brave, but I prefer Brave overall. I really hoped I could squeeze another 5-6 years out of this laptop.
I have a 2011 MBP. The thing is a dinosaur. It does not compare at all with the newer M2 and M4 based Macs. Even if all you use is the web browser you will notice a difference.

As for storage, it has gotten smaller. I think Apple expects that we will be using iCloud. From what I see, this is true. I just sprung for a subscription to a 2TB level. It's worth is as that 2TB is accessible on my Macs, my iPhone and iPad and is a family share so others have the same 2TB pool. Keeping data on the computer is "so 1980s".
 
Hi Cameront9. Yes, my Air is quite long in the tooth as you say, but I have to use my things for as long as I can. As a retired person living on a quite small income from SS, I do not have a great deal of disposable income left over once I pay rent, utilities, insurance, food, etc., etc. A new computer is a HUGE purchase for me, and once I commit, I know it will have to last me for quite a long time.

This is why I am giving the M4 model long and hard thought. I now wonder if I should put this off until November because there may be some more incentive to purchase shortly before Christmas. What does everyone think about that?

My first iPhone was a 5s (I think). I finally upgraded to an 8, but the 8 was already an older model at time I bought it. It, too, has to last me as long as possible.
The best value is to buy a used Mac. If all you do is run the browser, 8GB is enough. Look for an M2 based Mac and pay hald the price.

Also, do you really need a notebook? A mini might be a better value if you don't move it around
 
Was in a similar situation two years back. My MBA was an aging 2015 13” with one USB port not functioning.

Ended up getting a brand new 15” M2 MBA on a Black Friday deal from Best Buy. It’s been good, although the amazing speed is really only noticeable when I'm transferring photos off an SD card or backing up to an USB-C attached external drive. Programs such as Microsoft Word (and Pages) open up more slowly than they did on my 2015 MBA!

Having to use dongles is still a nuisance — e.g., a USB-C to SD card reader and a USB-C to USB-A for attaching certain of my external drives.

Having both USB-C ports on the left side rather than one on each side can be a nuisance, too.

The point is that there are adjustments even with a great, wonderful new laptop. Oh, for sure, battery life is phenomenal, especially compared to my aged 2015. The MagSafe on the new MBA detaches far too readily, does not grab as well, and is in a different location than on the old MBA (not right at the back edge).

My biggest recommendation to you, especially given fixed income, is to get a couple-of-year-old M2 model off Apple's refurbished store. Full warranty; you can add Apple Care+ to it; and save a bundle on the purchase price. See


The 13” MBA with 16GB & 256GB drive is only $709. An even better deal is the 13” MBA with 8GB & 512GB drive for only $799. The 13” 16GB/512GB comes in at $879.

Now, as to your question about waiting until Xmas — you could well find great Black Friday sales, e.g., at Best Buy, on a *new* MBA. That’s what I did and they gave me a great trade-in on another Mac I had. My net price ended up being about $700.
 
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Thanks Saturn007. I suppose I should look at the MBA in store, but I already know I do not want any other computer.

The thing that sold me on the MBA was its small size and light weight. I always hated those big desk top computers, and although I definitely liked my Windows laptop, it was still quite heavy to carry around at about 8-9 lbs. I came to loathe not only carrying it around but dealing with Windows Service Packs, etc. What a nightmare! How many months if not years of my life did I waste talking to techs trying to figure out what was wrong with my computer? I had enough of Windows and heavy, bulky computers period. I really wanted something ultra portable and as unobtrusive as possible, and I did not want to keep dealing with Sony techs that blamed Windows and Windows techs that blamed Sony anytime something was fouled up. At certain points they both even tried to blame the ISP! Enough was enough. I knew it was a huge financial investment for me to buy a MBA, but ultimately, it was worth it just as I figured it would be. Now, I thought I would be using the MBA at the library a lot more than I ended up doing, but I was never sorry that I purchased such an ultra thin and lightweight laptop.

I am not very tech savvy. I am sure there were a lot more things my MBA could do than what I use it for---mainly surfing the web, email, watching YouTube, etc., and I am sorry I have not learnt more about it over these last 14 years, but I have been very happy with it, and that is why I want another MBA. The lightweight portability and unobtrusive footprint are as important to me as the speed and handling of small sports cars are to sports cars enthusiasts.

I am sure there are some imperfect aspects of the 2025 MBA as you said, but I guess that will always be true of every computer. For me, not having a built in disc drive in my 2011 was a disappointment at first, so I bought the superdrive because I thought I really would need it, but guess what? It is still in near mint condition. I have used it very, very little over the years. In fact, years passed without me using it at all. It has lived most of its life in its box in the closet. I have probably used it less than 12X in 14 years. The other, much bigger disappointment in my 2011 was the speakers. I hope the 2025 has much better speakers because I would listen to my CDs more if my MBA had great speakers like my old Sony desk top did.

Aside from those two things, I have been pretty gosh darn happy with my 2011. Honestly, given what I use it for, I hoped I might be able to keep using it for another six years! Would have been nice, but I started having problems with Brave crashing, and I cannot update the browser, the OS, or anything else on this 2011. Chrome still seems to work fine, though. Email still works fine. If only I were not having browser issues, I would not be thinking about upgrading right now. I would keep going as is until I was forced into upgrading, as I seem to be right now. Most of my storage is used up with photos, though, and that has been a bit of a problem as I do not know much about external storage and do not trust those things really.

I wish I had gotten more storage. I had no idea how many photos I would wind up saving on it. I was only able to upload a few of my CD's, not that I own a ton of them, and I guess it would have been nice to be able to put all of my CD's on the MBA, but ultimately, not being able to upload all of my CD's was not a huge problem either because the MBA's speakers are not very good, so I very rarely ever think about using my Superdrive to play CDs. I get better sound out of the speakers on my Sony boombox.

I no longer own an actual stereo system. I found the older I became, the less important music was to me anyway. I still love music, do not get me wrong, but I very rarely listen to music anymore except around the holidays. I do not even turn on the radio in my motor vehicle anymore. I do look forward to playing my Christmas CD's each year, and sometimes I really need a James Taylor fix, but overall, I just do not "crave" music as much as I did in my youth, and on those days/nights that I do crave a bit of music, I end up watching music videos on YouTube instead of dragging out my CDs.

My old music is still what I reach for if I want music, but sometimes I feel tired of listening to the same stuff for decades (I cannot imagine how miserable it must be for legendary singers to have to keep sining the same songs over and over again for decades! I would go stark raving doolally if I had to do that for a living!), and I just do not relate to most newer music. I sometimes catch an episode of Austin City Limits with a young band that I think is really good, but know what? I do not have the patience to sit through an entire hour of it even if I like the music! I know that is probably shocking to many people here!

I have never purchased a song or an album from Apple's iTunes, either, but I know iTunes was/is a real driver of iPhone and computer sales for Apple. Honestly, as I passed middle age and slid into my senior years, I found that my attention seemed to be mainly on the practical problems of daily life much more than entertainment or anything else. I know it sounds sad, and it is, but like many of my friends who are around the same age, we know we are on the backside of life with not a lot of time left. We have run our race. We stand at the end of things, and we look back sometimes with laughter, sometimes with tears, sometimes with regret, but we no longer think too far ahead. We are preoccupied less with this world and all of its fashions and gadgets and politics and everything else than we are with getting through our last few years. That said, though, I still want another MBA! 😁
 
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To ChrisA's point about computer storage and iCloud, I filled up my free iCloud a long while back, and whilst I did buy some extra iCloud storage for a while, I eventually let it go. iCloud as a place to store everything might be fine, but every little bill you add to your monthly obligations ultimately has a big impact on you over time. Unless something is profoundly important to me, and very little is these days, I do not want to put money into anything I do not have to put it into. This is why, for example, there are a lot of "little" expenses I have never incurred, e.g. Starbucks coffees, cable telly, YouTube premium, and so forth and so on. At the end of a year, it really adds up. I always felt it was better to use things until they could not be used anymore and to avoid bills that were avoidable.

For example, many years ago now I had a great colour telly that worked fine. Then, remote controls came out with the newer tellies, and I really wanted a telly with a remote, but I could not bring myself to spend that much money on a new telly whilst my old one still worked fine, so I kept using it until it finally died about 11 years later. My last 21" table top telly was a great Sony with fantastic colour and sound. I loved it, but some years ago now I began to find it increasingly difficult to lift it to clean under it. Never imagined that would be a problem for me, so it was a bit of a shock. By then, those lightweight, flat screen tellies were on the market. This was one of a very few rare exceptions were I let go of a perfectly good commodity to replace it with something else. I actually sold it to someone in California for enough money to buy the small, flat screen telly I have had for the last several years. The one I have now is okay. I still think my bulky, heavy old Sony had a better picture and undeniably much, much better sound, but I had to give in and buy something that was more practical for me now. Guess I am saying whilst iCloud might be a great storage option, for the things I want to store, the laptop storage is fine, and I do not have to incur a regular monthly bill for it. To me, that makes a lot more sense for someone in my position at least.
 
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Something I have wondered about lately is how far in advance does Apple know what it can offer? Do they hold back on small or even large improvements now on the latest models with the intention of adding those withheld improvements in 2026, 2027, etc?
Obviously, Apple plans the future development of its products. They will have long-term plans and short-term plans. They originally planned to completely transition to Apple Silicon within 2 years, but didn't achieve that, mostly because of Covid.

They've been working for years on creating their own modem chip, to replace Qualcomm's, which they've finally put into the latest phones.

If you mean "do they have a big cupboard filled with amazing tech that they are saving for later": No.
 
Hello, benwiggy. Well, I did not mean that they necessarily had a ton of improvements that they were rolling out very judiciously, but I take your point. Thank you.
 
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