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Will the Mac Pro 7.1 be limited to US and Canada at first or not?

  • Yes, America first

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • No, just delivery to EU and other places will take ages

    Votes: 9 56.3%

  • Total voters
    16

chfilm

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So, what do you guys think after this strange press release today from the factory? Do you think that was their way to signal us that customers outside the US have to wait an extra month or even longer till we can preorder our devices? Or do you think just US customers will be prioritized or there will be other factories outside US as well, or ... ?

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/11/20/2019-mac-pro-production-begins/ That one!

"Notably, Apple says the Mac Pro units in production in Austin will soon ship to customers "across the Americas," suggesting that the Mac Pro units assembled in Texas will only be shipped to customers in the United States, Canada, Mexico, and other countries across North and South America."
 
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https://www.macrumors.com/2019/11/20/2019-mac-pro-production-begins/ That one! "Notably, Apple says the Mac Pro units in production in Austin will soon ship to customers "across the Americas," suggesting that the Mac Pro units assembled in Texas will only be shipped to customers in the United States, Canada, Mexico, and other countries across North and South America."
That may be a concession to Trump. It's the kind of thing he would take credit for... American's first. Of course, shipping from Austin to cities across the states is the easiest & fastest thing to do upfront and the US is probably the largest market (individuals and companies) when making country comparisons.
 
There are also tougher export regulations due to some of the current sanctions and government control over tech exports. That might hold up international distribution more than anything else immediately. Would think those would have been applied for 3-6+ months ago, right when many were being implemented.

Also worth noting - I have not seen a report that Austin is the EXCLUSIVE facility for Mac Pro, only for Mac Pro in the America’s.
 
trump-cook-austin.jpg


Oh it's America First alright. ;)
 
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Safe to say if the election had swung the other way, it would not be America "first"!
My post was politically neutral. Trump is a businessman and showman first and foremost. The picture of him holding the Apple plaque is pure Trump - and he is loving every moment of it. Tim is saying, Mr. President - not Mr. Trump. These two are heavy weight negotiators. Look at Tim's face in the photo. It's a cringe smile. I personally would love to see all of .gov using Macs and if Trump can pull that off, it will probably mean more jobs in the USA which would be a great thing indeed.
 
My post was politically neutral. Trump is a businessman and showman first and foremost. The picture of him holding the Apple plaque is pure Trump - and he is loving every moment of it. Tim is saying, Mr. President - not Mr. Trump. These two are heavy weight negotiators. Look at Tim's face in the photo. It's a cringe smile. I personally would love to see all of .gov using Macs and if Trump can pull that off, it will probably mean more jobs in the USA which would be a great thing indeed.
Tim’s “smile” says it all.
Oh god I really sincerely hope we won’t have to wait another few months over here in Europe...
 
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Safe to say if the election had swung the other way, it would not be America "first"!

But you'd still have allies... Everybody hates this guy, except dictators.

For some reason these forums lean heavily right (hopefully just edgy teens) but people need to realize the guy who took money meant for kids with cancer to buy a portrait of himself is not going to put America first.

Also, remember when Trump was a Democrat? What a principled guy...
 
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I really hope this isn't going to be an 'Americas First' roll out. Really want that Mac Pro now!

I'm hoping it's only America First because thats closer to the factory. Too much wishful thinking?

A positive way to look at it could be that it will be good for the USA reviewers to get their's first. Looking forward to youtuber SnazzyLabs doing their review.

Do you think they will release the BTO pricing ahead of ordering it? If not that is going to be a horrible stress ordering situation.
 
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There are also tougher export regulations due to some of the current sanctions and government control over tech exports. That might hold up international distribution more than anything else immediately. Would think those would have been applied for 3-6+ months ago, right when many were being implemented.

It is tariffs not regulations. If the USA taxes Chinese parts to tthe Mac Pro coming in and then China taxes USA made parts of the Mac Pro's that go back to China then the Mac Pro will have bigger problems in China due to how much it costs; not the regulations involved.


Also worth noting - I have not seen a report that Austin is the EXCLUSIVE facility for Mac Pro, only for Mac Pro in the America’s.

Pragmatically there are two Mac Pros. The rack mount version is completely missing in action in terms of visibility. If it has high enough expected volume to be pragmatically run in a separate location perhaps that one will be done elsewhere.

Past this initial demand bubble though, Apple probably won't need two factories to keep up with this tower model demand. If there is separate a Rack Mac Pro site that is more flexible Apple may do two models there and just drop down to just one each later. Or if the rack model is as late as it appears to be, the rack location just do towers for a while to help with initial demand bubble and then get started on the rack models once that is a product ready to go (rack models won't ship at all in 2019. At this point that wouldn't be surprising at all. ) .

I wouldn't draw any deep inference to that "americas" reference. Trump had a hand in the "better than NAFTA" USMCA America's trade zone policy that is up for ratification too. Him posturing over "I did a deal with the Canadians and Mexicans ... you need to do a deal with me too" messaging to other countries can be easily part of this dog and pony show too. In that case it really doesn't mean jack squat specifically about the Mac Pro. That this dog and pony show was posturing at the Chinese shouldn't even be a question.
 
It is tariffs not regulations. If the USA taxes Chinese parts to tthe Mac Pro coming in and then China taxes USA made parts of the Mac Pro's that go back to China then the Mac Pro will have bigger problems in China due to how much it costs; not the regulations involved.




Pragmatically there are two Mac Pros. The rack mount version is completely missing in action in terms of visibility. If it has high enough expected volume to be pragmatically run in a separate location perhaps that one will be done elsewhere.

Past this initial demand bubble though, Apple probably won't need two factories to keep up with this tower model demand. If there is separate a Rack Mac Pro site that is more flexible Apple may do two models there and just drop down to just one each later. Or if the rack model is as late as it appears to be, the rack location just do towers for a while to help with initial demand bubble and then get started on the rack models once that is a product ready to go (rack models won't ship at all in 2019. At this point that wouldn't be surprising at all. ) .

I wouldn't draw any deep inference to that "americas" reference. Trump had a hand in the "better than NAFTA" USMCA America's trade zone policy that is up for ratification too. Him posturing over "I did a deal with the Canadians and Mexicans ... you need to do a deal with me too" messaging to other countries can be easily part of this dog and pony show too. In that case it really doesn't mean jack squat specifically about the Mac Pro. That this dog and pony show was posturing at the Chinese shouldn't even be a question.

No one's seen the rack mount case. It could be as simplistic as rack ears on what we've already seen. I'd hope it's something more attuned to racking and servicing but there's been nothing released on it.
 
No one's seen the rack mount case.

Not really. Not seen as a instantiated piece of metal on display on stage ? No. Not seen at all ... Apple had what was at least a rendering at the WWDC announcement presentation. (if not pictures of actual prototype cases )

Mac-Pro-Rackmount.png


[ couldn't find a better reference article but it is related to this one so the picture is there.
https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/04/kubernetes-on-mac-macstadium/ ]


After that quickie flash on the stage, Apple has gone info radio silent on it. Zip on the marketing web pages. Zip on Apple's site or the latest dog and pony show. They may be hoping if they wait long enough folks will forget they promised a Fall date for it too.

Was that a picture of a conceptual rendering they really hadn't put that much effort into. After two years of "dog ate my homework" excuses, that is has to be a plausible path they are on.


It could be as simplistic as rack ears on what we've already seen.

the above clearly isn't. The ports from the top are moved to the front. The air flow of the Mac Pro goes front to back. The ports on the top are perpendicular to that. Highly likely the top and bottom plate held by the "space frame" in the tower set up are not here, because the "space frame" is in the same orientation either ( and the space frame is unnecessary also. This doesn't have feet (or wheels ) to attach to the bottom of the frame. )

The power button is on the top also of the tower. That too is extremely useless on system put into a rack where cannot access the sides. It is kind of hard to see in that photo snapped from the video stream but
if Jump to around 1:41 in WWDC 2019 Keynote you'll see there is a rectangle button on the front that is likely the power button. ( kind of useful to turn a racked element off before pull it out of its position in the rack. )

Could there be some alternative path "pads" on the motherboard where Apple could add buttons and ports for the system instead of the top. Yes. I'd put that higher than some Rube Goldberg cabling that remapped the ports and button from what is now on the side out to the front inside the case.

It is going to be a tad awkward when have to deal with RAM or NAND data blades that will be on the bottom of the system when slide it out if the board is the primarily the same.

The above appears to be a purposeful case. That means another path through Industrial Design and that , in my opinion , likely means a longer path to market. What kind of funky holes should we drill in this box questions and the like.

I'd hope it's something more attuned to racking and servicing but there's been nothing released on it.

The more attuned the slower it will appear. They haven't followed up on it which suggest problems.. However, They at least sneak peaked it.

If this really isn't conceptual art and a real system I suspect that Apple will probably "sell" these to a select few for a while before going public with them ( big assumption that they actually have their act together on this... I would bet the farm on that at all. ). There is a handful of bulk consumers of these and they could just work out the kinks with them before rolling them out to others. ( if they are making them in China or better Taiwan ( yeah they are different PRC fanboys), they may have wanted to keep them way off the radar until well after Trump's dog and pony show. ). If things are actually on track that would be why there is nothing still being said.

It is more likely though that it is just chronically late ... just like the tower version is chronically late from last desktop/deskside version they shipped. Yet another story about being late, so Apple is kicking the can on disclosure.
 
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Not really. Not seen as a instantiated piece of metal on display on stage ? No. Not seen at all ... Apple had what was at least a rendering at the WWDC announcement presentation. (if not pictures of actual prototype cases )

Mac-Pro-Rackmount.png


[ couldn't find a better reference article but it is related to this one so the picture is there.
https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/04/kubernetes-on-mac-macstadium/ ]


After that quickie flash on the stage, Apple has gone info radio silent on it. Zip on the marketing web pages. Zip on Apple's site or the latest dog and pony show. They may be hoping if they wait long enough folks will forget they promised a Fall date for it too.

Was that a picture of a conceptual rendering they really hadn't put that much effort into. After two years of "dog ate my homework" excuses, that is has to be a plausible path they are on.




the above clearly isn't. The ports from the top are moved to the front. The air flow of the Mac Pro goes front to back. The ports on the top are perpendicular to that. Highly likely the top and bottom plate held by the "space frame" in the tower set up are not here, because the "space frame" is in the same orientation either ( and the space frame is unnecessary also. This doesn't have feet (or wheels ) to attach to the bottom of the frame. )

The power button is on the top also of the tower. That too is extremely useless on system put into a rack where cannot access the sides. It is kind of hard to see in that photo snapped from the video stream but
if Jump to around 1:41 in WWDC 2019 Keynote you'll see there is a rectangle button on the front that is likely the power button. ( kind of useful to turn a racked element off before pull it out of its position in the rack. )

Could there be some alternative path "pads" on the motherboard where Apple could add buttons and ports for the system instead of the top. Yes. I'd put that higher than some Rube Goldberg cabling that remapped the ports and button from what is now on the side out to the front inside the case.

It is going to be a tad awkward when have to deal with RAM or NAND data blades that will be on the bottom of the system when slide it out if the board is the primarily the same.

The above appears to be a purposeful case. That means another path through Industrial Design and that , in my opinion , likely means a longer path to market. What kind of funky holes should we drill in this box questions and the like.



The more attuned the slower it will appear. They haven't followed up on it which suggest problems.. However, They at least sneak peaked it.

If this really isn't conceptual art and a real system I suspect that Apple will probably "sell" these to a select few for a while before going public with them ( big assumption that they actually have their act together on this... I would bet the farm on that at all. ). There is a handful of bulk consumers of these and they could just work out the kinks with them before rolling them out to others. ( if they are making them in China or better Taiwan ( yeah they are different PRC fanboys), they may have wanted to keep them way off the radar until well after Trump's dog and pony show. ). If things are actually on track that would be why there is nothing still being said.

It is more likely though that it is just chronically late ... just like the tower version is chronically late from last desktop/deskside version they shipped. Yet another story about being late, so Apple is kicking the can on disclosure.

Thanks! I had completely missed that render in the keynote.
 
trump-cook-austin.jpg


Oh it's America First alright. ;)

So when we look at the complexity of making such a product as a whole - where do design and assembly rank next to the meat and bones production of the device's parts (which presumably are being made in some third world country they'd rather not mention)?

I mean whenever I see a sign like that (and this style has caught on a bit elsewhere) - all I think of is that it's not actually making it look like a premium product at all (in that case it should read 'Made in USA' to give off that impression) but rather one where every possible corner has been cut.

:)
 
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Read whatever you like into the press release it doesn't say units won't ship to Europe or Asia. It says "ship to customers across the Americas" not "ONLY ship to customers across the Americas". The Americas plural also indicates both North & South America so not exclusively USA & Canada.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the rack-mount version is sold only by the enterprise sales group. If someone's building a render farm, it's not likely they'll go to the local Apple Store to place the order, or want the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse that come "in the box." The chances of seeing one on display in an Apple Store seem pretty remote.

As to building in the US of A? I wouldn't be surprised if Mac Pro sells a disproportionately large percentage in the US compared to other Macs. I think it's safe to say it's an example of regional configure-to-order, rather than "manufacturing." I can't see why they wouldn't assemble in Asia as well, assuming demand is strong enough. I can't recall Apple saying (regarding both the new model and the Late 2013) that they were building all Mac Pros in the US.
 
So when we look at the complexity of making such a product as a whole - where do design and assembly rank next to the meat and bones production of the device's parts (which presumably are being made in some third world country they'd rather not mention)?

I mean whenever I see a sign like that (and this style has caught on a bit elsewhere) - all I think of is that it's not actually making it look like a premium product at all (in that case it should read 'Made in USA' to give off that impression) but rather one where every possible corner has been cut.

:)
Ah whenever I see this or other pictures from this event I feel sorry for Tim.
 
Read whatever you like into the press release it doesn't say units won't ship to Europe or Asia. It says "ship to customers across the Americas" not "ONLY ship to customers across the Americas". The Americas plural also indicates both North & South America so not exclusively USA & Canada.
Exactly and furthermore it would be unprecedented for a Mac Pro. Europe and Asia more likely fed by Chinese manufacturing and potentially Europe by Ireland manufacturing
 
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Exactly and furthermore it would be unprecedented for a Mac Pro. Europe and Asia more likely fed by Chinese manufacturing and potentially Europe by Ireland manufacturing
Exactly. Apple isn’t going to supply Japan with the 7.1 assembled in Austin.
 
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