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So Panther will cost extra?

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onlydroops

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Even though it's only going from 10.2.6 to 10.3, they're still gonna charge those who want to upgrade $129?? That seems a little ridiculous considering there are no REAL, MAJOR revisions (ie, not a new interface).

Seems like it should be a free update.

If you change the version number, say to, OSX 11 (with all major updates)--then I think that warrants a price tag. A 0.0.4 version change doesn't.

Doesn't that make sense?
 
I dont think it should be a FREE upgrade but I do believe that someone who had bought jaguar should half some kind of a deal besides paying just as much as someone who never even bought an mac os x system. But not gonna complain that much because I think the 130 for panther is worth it from everything Ive heard so far and I do get a student discount.
 
Re: So Panther will cost extra?

Originally posted by onlydroops
Even though it's only going from 10.2.6 to 10.3, ...

If you change the version number, say to, OSX 11 (with all major updates)--then I think that warrants a price tag. A 0.0.4 version change doesn't.

Doesn't that make sense?
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You're thinking decimal math here. This is not a decimal number. It is a software version number.

It coulg go 10.2.6->10.2.7->10.2.8->10.2.9->10.2.10-?10.2.11->... There is nothing that dictates that they have to go to 10.3 after 10.2.9.

What dictates going to 10.3 is how major a change it is. And 10.3 is a major change.
 
A major change would be a change in UI or something equally drastic.

A major change would cause it to be v. 11.

It can't be a major change if Apple only wants to make it 10.3.

They shouldn't charge the user $129. Simple as that.
 
Originally posted by onlydroops
A major change would be a change in UI or something equally drastic.

A major change would cause it to be v. 11.

It can't be a major change if Apple only wants to make it 10.3.

They shouldn't charge the user $129. Simple as that.
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have you even seen it? there IS a change in the UI.. at least with many things.

but anyhoo, i guess you can continue crying about it while using jaguar, doesn't really affect us much.
 
The cost just seems unnecessary and it was just an observation.

I'd buy it either way, heh. And no, I haven't taken a good look at it.

Any good sites I can check out? Preferably non-Apple.
 
Originally posted by onlydroops
A major change would be a change in UI or something equally drastic.
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I've seen Panther. It's got some pretty major changes--especially in Finder. What's more at the heart of the OS than Finder?

A major change would cause it to be v. 11.
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Maybe if you created the software, but Apple does and they are committed to calling the OS "OS X". So a major change will be 10.1 to 10.2. Minor changes look like "10.2.6". If you were naming these then we'd already be on OS 13. It's just a name.

They shouldn't charge the user $129. Simple as that.
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Don't buy it then. It sucks a little for people who buy Jaguar just before Panther comes out, but some people always get in that situation when new products come out. They're still left with a good product. Think of somebody who bought a Powerbook last week.

At least you're getting something for your $129 if you buy Panther. XP costs $100 and is a downgrade from 2000. ME was a serious downgrade from 98 and also cost $100.
 
Originally posted by onlydroops
A major change would be a change in UI or something equally drastic.

A major change would cause it to be v. 11.

It can't be a major change if Apple only wants to make it 10.3.

They shouldn't charge the user $129. Simple as that.
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I need to write some software and get you as a customer. then I can just change the interface and get you to spend money upgrading. Changing the interface is probably the easiest and least important thing about a software upgrade. What matters is new functionality, improved features, performance gains, etc, none of whihc may be readily apparent from the interface.

Apple has made every .1 change to OS X a major change. 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 were all seriously major revisions. 10.3 is as well. you do know that numbering systems are arbitrary don't you. Apple could call it 10.2.9 and it could be a major change if that the numbering system they were going with. Gone are the days when .5 of a version number meant a major revision (whihc weren't whole version numbers either, mind you. you had to pay to go from OS 8 to OS 8.5, etc and it was a major change). And obviously they don't wan't to go to version 11 yet. OS X is a strong brand name. OS XI isn't.

You've never even used it, know nothing about it, but you're sure they shuoldn't charge for it because the interface hasn't changed much and the version number isn't big enough for you. You really don't know what you're talking about.
 
isn't a major revision

Totally redone and reorganized finder (first time in 16 years)!!!

Completely new Finder features:
Expose
File Vault
New iDisk
Fast-User Switching

Not to mention a totally rewritten set of developer tools that's like 10 times as fast

I don't know what your idea is of "major revision" but Panthar seems pretty ****ing major to me, and even though I am just now buying a new 15 inch PBook, if Panthar was available the day after it arrived at my dorm, I would more than gladly shell out the 130 to get it.
 
-Gents

Don't forget with the 10.1->10.2 upgrade there was a kernel upgrade as well - definitely not a small task.

Anybody know if we are getting a kernel chang with 10.3?
 
hmm by your logic the fact that they are seeding 10.2.8 supposedly makes u even more justified to have a close to free panther right? There are some major revisions that make it much better
 
patrick-
i think there was mention of a kernel change in 10.3...and yes...that is a HUGE task to take on.

also, many of the features that apple lists are in panther don't really account for about 60% of all the new features in Panther. there are a lot of little things that make a big difference in using your computer. and just remember that all of the really cool, FREE applications that apple let's us download will most likely be for 10.3 after its release, just like it was with jaguar.
 
Alright, well, I've stood corrected for several posts now.

As a victim of superficiality, I want to pay for an expansive, visible change.

Please pardon my leap into instant visual gratification ;)

I understand that revision numbers are arbitrary and if I were running things, they wouldn't be--but I'm not, so I'll shut up and buy Panther.
 
Originally posted by synthetickittie
I dont think it should be a FREE upgrade but I do believe that someone who had bought jaguar should half some kind of a deal besides paying just as much as someone who never even bought an mac os x system. But not gonna complain that much because I think the 130 for panther is worth it from everything Ive heard so far and I do get a student discount.
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Do you know why everyone pays the same price? They are all upgrades, $129 is the upgrade price. In your post, you said that one should pay the same amount then someone who never bought an OS X system before. Why would they buy it? It doesn't run on anything other then a Mac.
 
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-Gents

Don't forget with the 10.1->10.2 upgrade there was a kernel upgrade as well - definitely not a small task.

Anybody know if we are getting a kernel chang with 10.3?
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It's been synchronised with FreeBSD 4.8 this time.
 
Originally posted by onlydroops
A major change would be a change in UI or something equally drastic.

A major change would cause it to be v. 11.

It can't be a major change if Apple only wants to make it 10.3.

They shouldn't charge the user $129. Simple as that.
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If that logic works, there should be very little difference between 10.0 and what we have now. That simply isn't the case, so there have been major changes in the os.
 
If you don't think it's a major revision, imagine trying to download Panther.
 
Originally posted by onlydroops
A major change would be a change in UI or something equally drastic.

A major change would cause it to be v. 11.

It can't be a major change if Apple only wants to make it 10.3.

They shouldn't charge the user $129. Simple as that.
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You're stingy... simple as that.
 
Would you feel better about paying the $129 upgrade price if Apple called it?

"Mac OS 2004 - The 20th Anniversary Edition"
 
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-All

I recall this same conversation a year ago.

I think it'll happen again next year.

:rolleyes:
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Well, they're as bad as the hardware goldilocks complaining about things. :eek:
 
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