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For the life of me, I can't think of a reason I would ever use the physical Apple Card. If it is a place that doesn't accept Apple Pay yet, I would use my Double Cash card (2% back). Even if the place accepts Apple Pay, but you try to use the card, it will only give you 1%. You'd think using the card at a place that accepts Apple Pay would still count as 2%.

Anyway, is there any other reason to even have the card on me or am I missing something?

Thanks.
 
Individuals have different credit cards. Not everyone has the same Double Cash card (2% back) as you. For some, using the physical Apple Card in a transaction might be reasonable.

Apple Card does not incur any foreign transaction fees.

Sometimes NFC payment terminals are out of order. Sometimes an NFC payment terminal isn't provided (many nicer restaurants in the USA are like this).

For Goldman Sachs, it makes more sense to issue a physical card for those situations where NFC-equipped Apple Pay transactions aren't available and the cardholder still wants to pay with Apple Card rather than switch to a card issued by another institution.
 
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It's really a shame they went to the effort of making such a nice card when the intention is not to use it.
 
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Like konqerror said, it's a backup. Not every merchant on this planet accepts Apple Pay.

GS would rather have you use their Mastercard over a card issued by someone else. GS wants the merchant transaction fee (and your interest payments if you're stupid).
 
I want only one Card. I don't fret over rewards.

The only time I use my bank MSC is with the bpMe gas app as it doesn't accept Apple Card--BP should be embarrassed.
 
Im using fidelity signature now. 2% all the time. If i need apple products or for my iup i use the apple card.

when everything is 2 or 3 percent on the apple card i will apple again.
 
For the life of me, I can't think of a reason I would ever use the physical Apple Card. If it is a place that doesn't accept Apple Pay yet, I would use my Double Cash card (2% back). Even if the place accepts Apple Pay, but you try to use the card, it will only give you 1%. You'd think using the card at a place that accepts Apple Pay would still count as 2%.

Anyway, is there any other reason to even have the card on me or am I missing something?

Thanks.

What if you have to shop at a place like Walmart?, they have their own screwed up payment processing methods at the checkout. I would not even fathom the way that their credit card transactions are processed; between the cashier and customer, you have to go through some serious hoops to perform something that can be resolved with a double-click on the Apple Watch or a few taps on the iPhone. But some people still do it, although I have honestly never seen any customer use Walmart’s credit processing method in-person.
 
Got an email from Apple that I needed to activate my card. It’s on a shelf in the unopened cardboard shipping box.
 
I haven’t used my physical card yet either. I suppose I could carry it with me (I’ve always just kept it at home). Whenever I ran into a retailer that doesn’t accept Apple Pay, I just used another card or cash.

On a separate note, has anyone done any returns with either the digital or physical card?
 
Got an email from Apple that I needed to activate my card. It’s on a shelf in the unopened cardboard shipping box.
Just activate it, throw it back in the box and move on with your life.

GS just wants confirmation that it was delivered safe and sound to you and is currently in your possession instead of some mailbox thief.
 
Just activate it, throw it back in the box and move on with your life.

GS just wants confirmation that it was delivered safe and sound to you and is currently in your possession instead of some mailbox thief.
Gee thanks for the advice ;)
 
For the life of me, I can't think of a reason I would ever use the physical Apple Card. If it is a place that doesn't accept Apple Pay yet, I would use my Double Cash card (2% back). Even if the place accepts Apple Pay, but you try to use the card, it will only give you 1%. You'd think using the card at a place that accepts Apple Pay would still count as 2%.

I've got a few different cards, both for lender and network diversity (and keeping old accounts), but I have closed some accounts over the years to simplify things. At this point, I have a few cards that earn more (4% or 5%) in particular categories, so they get priority there (either quarterly or all the time) and then the fallback is the Apple Card for Apple Pay transactions that don't fit the above area.

After that, the remaining things like utility bills, a Walmart/Sam's Club trip, etc. are the tough ones because I have a few 1% options. I looked at getting some sort of "everything else" 1.5% or 2% card, but can't justify opening and managing another account for such low spend at this point. That leaves me with a few options for those 1% transactions and I'm still trying to figure out a strategy—put them all on one card for consistency? Spread them around? Put them where they could potentially earn a little more than 1% when redeemed for gift cards (Discover/Chase)?

Nonetheless, I leave my physical Apple Card at home, since it's not really pulling double-duty in my wallet like some other cards.

What if you have to shop at a place like Walmart?, they have their own screwed up payment processing methods at the checkout. I would not even fathom the way that their credit card transactions are processed; between the cashier and customer, you have to go through some serious hoops to perform something that can be resolved with a double-click on the Apple Watch or a few taps on the iPhone. But some people still do it, although I have honestly never seen any customer use Walmart’s credit processing method in-person.

I'm not sure what Walmarts you're going to, but for the most part it's like any other that do physical card transactions—insert/swipe when ready, wait for the approval, remove? If you're talking about Walmart Pay, I haven't used it and haven't seen anyone use it the few times I go through there, so I can't speak to the nature of that. That does look like an awkward, messy dance between POS, cashier, and customer.

I tried the version using the Sam's Club app (you scan your items, pay in the app, and walk to the door and they scan your phone and a few select items to "prove" you didn't steal anything), mostly because one card was offering $10 back for trying it with some purchases. It's not bad, but an Apple Pay button in the app would've made it that much nicer...they already have my purchase history based on membership, so why not?
 
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On a separate note, has anyone done any returns with either the digital or physical card?

Yes, it's no different than any other card. You return the item, they put it on your card. The only difference is if you use the Daily Cash feature, you get charged for the amount they gave you in Daily Cash. So you end up seeing the charge, the return, the Daily Cash transaction, and the charge for returning the Daily Cash. I think if you don't opt for Daily Cash, then they just don't credit you for a returned item.

Even if the place accepts Apple Pay, but you try to use the card, it will only give you 1%. You'd think using the card at a place that accepts Apple Pay would still count as 2%.

It really doesn't work like this. Apple doesn't necessarily know that a place takes Apple Pay. Sure, they have a list of retailers on their site, but contactless is a standard protocol that works with contactless cards, Apple Pay, Android Pay, and Samsung Pay which has an NFC side. When a retailer accepts Apple Pay, they really are just accepting an industry standard protocol, Apple doesn't really enter into the equation except as the dominant provider of mobile payments.

But even if Apple knows a store accepts Apple Pay (since they have that list or they could get a more extensive list from Mastercard), the thing I think is that they are promoting Apple Pay usage primarily. They want you to use the phone. The physical card is there just in case you want to use it in some place without Apple Pay. Unlike the Apple Pay Cash which is Apple Pay only, which I think they've learned restricts a lot of people's use of the Apple Pay Cash system. If they issued a physical card for Apple Pay Cash, I think it would help push Apple Pay Cash use.
 
If they issued a physical card for Apple Pay Cash, I think it would help push Apple Pay Cash use.
It's worth pointing out that this approach did not work for Google in the form of their now-defunct Google Wallet card.

The banking industry is heavily regulated anyhow and debit/cash cards are subject to very different regulations than credit cards. This is why debit/cash cards are very difficult to use for things like rental cars or hotel reservations.

It is doubtful that a physical Apple Pay Cash card would substantially increase service usage.

Debit/cash cards tend to attract the low end of the consumer finance world anyhow. This is not Apple's preferred target market.

There are other issues with debit cards. It manifests itself in odd ways like how the local commuter rain system's POS terminals won't accept debit cards: just cash or credit cards.
 
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