Title says it. There was code earlier stating that it would be removed. Can someone in the US please confirm that rosetta is still available in the US?
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Someone please confirm that rosetta is still available in mac os 11.3 in the US.
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I can't imagine that the inclusion of Rosetta 2 is region dependent. It's certainly in my 11.3 installation.
Presumably you are aware that the very first time you run an x86 applications that Rosetta 2 will download and install itself, so you may not see it on your system anywhere, until it installs.
Rosetta 2 will be around for several years, at least while there is still a significant amount of Intel-only software for MacOS.
Presumably you are aware that the very first time you run an x86 applications that Rosetta 2 will download and install itself, so you may not see it on your system anywhere, until it installs.
Rosetta 2 will be around for several years, at least while there is still a significant amount of Intel-only software for MacOS.
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The code that you refer to is a place-holder for the future, and a subtle nudge to tardy developers.
If it wasn't then I don't think you would have to ask the question here to find out.
It is not for tardy developers, it clearly stated its not available in the users region, which would be a licensing restriction from Intel.
Why from Intel? You do know that Rosetta 2 only translates and it only translates to AMD64 (also known as x86-64 or x64). Why would Intel have anything to do with it? Patents maybe?
My guess runs more toward export controls to blocked countries.
There was a checkin a while back that said that it was to allow them to block rosetta by region but nothing about why they would use it or that they really planned to do so.
There was speculation that this might be an Intel patent thing but that's not likely and would be a huge issue for Apple. The more reasonable concern would be if there was a ruling that something in Rosetta violated export rules to a few places like North Korea that are under embargoes.
The "export control" theory doesn't make any sense. Not sure why it keeps getting traction.
First of all, neither the hardware nor software are permitted for export to there in the first place. Second, you can't even choose North Korea or Syria (the two embargoed countries) as your region in macOS.
First of all, neither the hardware nor software are permitted for export to there in the first place. Second, you can't even choose North Korea or Syria (the two embargoed countries) as your region in macOS.
Export controls apply to many more countries than North Korea and Syria.
Even the page you linked to lists numerous countries with export restrictions of one sort or another. All this page says is that north korea and Syria are completely embargoed. That doesn’t mean there aren’t restrictions that apply to all the other countries apple lists on that page. And this page is not the law. You need to look at the U.S. government lists. For example, https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/regulations-docs/14-commerce-country-chart/file, and then you need to find the category that the specific technology falls into, and compare.
I've looked at the BIS list carefully. Consumer computers and operating systems are not export restricted other than for North Korea and Syria. Restrictions do not apply to mass market consumer computers for countries like Iran or Cuba.
Take a moment to understand the bigger picture. In macOS, you can select any region in the world except for North Korea and Syria because those are the two embargoed countries. You can select Iran or Cuba, for example. It would make no sense to allow macOS for export but restrict Rosetta.
In short, the Rosetta issue is not because of Dept. of Commerce restrictions.
An Intel has not filed suite against Apple for patent infringement so that theory doesn't hold water.
It really seems like Apple put this in to give them the option in case they ran into problems in some jurisdictions but there is zero evidence that they actually have plans to block Rosetta at this time. Contingency planning.
MacOS is a higher order of technology compared to Rosetta. There’s really no situation where the operating system would be permitted for export but Rosetta is not. To run Rosetta, you need macOS first. That would be like saying Tesla can export their vehicles and batteries but the air conditioner cannot be operated. That type of “contingency planning” doesn’t make sense unless there is some contractual restrictions unrelated to export.