no, it's just the latest OS. good for some, problematic for others.... just like every single OS that preceded it.
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Sonoma - The best OS in human history?
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I was going to reply "Lo, the apologist appears on cue" but the Sonoma upgraded machine I'm futzing with right now to get everything working decided it wouldn't allow to me click on anything in Firefox until I restarted it 🤣
And trying Safari instead I've just now realised it beachballs 100% of the time 🤣🤣🤣
And trying Safari instead I've just now realised it beachballs 100% of the time 🤣🤣🤣
this is part of the point: people have different ideas of what OS was apple's 'best". and so much of it relates to our individual experience.
for me, it's a great moment right now; the OS, my M2 air... everything works, and am getting my work (& play) done.
viva la present!
for me, it's a great moment right now; the OS, my M2 air... everything works, and am getting my work (& play) done.
viva la present!
Would never have believed that Windows 10 still has almost 50% of the OS market. Another chart shows it at 70% of the Windows market.
I have never ever had any particular issues with any version of macOS and I have been a mac user for 20 years. Yet every year, at every release, there is always someone who swears the new release is garbage and even worse than the previous lol
Same here until Ventura. Development is aware of the problem but so far not fixed.
Finder slow to show large folder contents - "loading"
After the upgrade to Ventura file operations on large directories (~10000 files) can be very slow. Opening a folder in finder, or in an application which opens a finder window, I get a "loading" message. Have never seen this message before. This can last for a few seconds or several minutes...
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In EVERY new release there might be some issue:Same here until Ventura. Development is aware of the problem but so far not fixed.
Finder slow to show large folder contents - "loading"
After the upgrade to Ventura file operations on large directories (~10000 files) can be very slow. Opening a folder in finder, or in an application which opens a finder window, I get a "loading" message. Have never seen this message before. This can last for a few seconds or several minutes...
1) something does not work properly, mostly something new: you got to report it, seems too hard for some users,
2) new restrictions appear (some years ago the 'cron' utility was technically abandoned, so I wrote my own).
All together quite acceptable, with the complexity and the source-size of the OS in mind.
Only professional programmers will understand how difficult it is to keep all that functionality alive.
;JOOP!
P.S.: Yes, I am.
Sort of agree and disagree. Given the complexity of the OS there will always be things that need to be fixed. But this is somewhat different in that:
1. Being able to access files in a timely manner is a fundamental OS feature. It's not some random bug with SMB or problems with external hardware. It happens on the hardware and software that Apple owns. A basic OS function is not working properly.
2. This bug has around for 2 OS releases so far.
Lucky you, doubt this answer would be the same for the one that erased hard drives when plugged in.
Can't remember which one it was, but as always I hold back updating, just frustrated at the time I couldn't update due to that issue.
all i get here is that, like every OS version that preceeded it, sonoma has bugs, and that some people experience some issues that are not issues for everyone.
we've seen these 'this OS is the worst', 'apple sucks now', 'the sky is falling', 'how do i go back to <insert previous OS>' posts with every apple OS. anyway, we'll go thru this all again with the next OS. ad infinitum 🙄
we've seen these 'this OS is the worst', 'apple sucks now', 'the sky is falling', 'how do i go back to <insert previous OS>' posts with every apple OS. anyway, we'll go thru this all again with the next OS. ad infinitum 🙄
You might also conclude:
1) Mac and MacOS fresh out of the box work almost perfect,
2) 3rd party software might be a risk, both for cooperation and interference (or polluting),
3) non-standard (internal) hardware modifications and non-standard OS installations are error-prone,
4) its easier to complain here than to send a detailed report to APPLE.
;JOOP!
just my own thoughts:
1) not always true
2) not sure about 'polluting', but often a 3rd-party developer and/or apple have to make fixes for an app to work
3) who modifies their macs internally these days?
4) so true
1) therefore: 'almost'; I should know, I've been selling machines for 2 decades myself.
2) elsewhere in this forum they ask what to do with 'phantom' files everywhere and where those came from.
3) scan sections 'Notebooks' and 'Desktops' in this forum: you'll find:
- added new disk or replaced the original one,
- added more memory than possible,
- replaced GPU,
- overclocked the CPU
and so on; I counted more than 20 events already this year.
;JOOP!
1) i did 19 years of mac support in nyc. we all have stories, different experiences. yours doesn't make your opinions more valuable
2) some people having 'phantom' files isn't most people.
3) a very-tiny percentage of modern mac users change anything in their macs; am sure you know that. '20' is not, for example, '20,000'.....
Sonoma has been very stable for me. I think a lot of the issues people have are from incompatible Apple or 3rd-party apps or preference files. When you do a clean install and it works like it should, then you know it was something with an Apple or 3rd-party app. Sometimes macOS preference files can become corrupted as well especially when continually upgrading directly from the previous macOS version. I'm not doubting others have issues, but rarely is it due to solely the operating system on its own.