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Steve Ballmer calls Android 'wild' and 'uncontrolled,' susceptible to malware

Rogifan

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Ballmer has Zero Vision...

2007 - Ballmer: "iPhone has no chance"

"Would I trade 96% of the market for 4% of the market? I want to have products that appeal to everybody," he said. "We'll get a chance to go through this [Apple versus Microsoft debate] again in phones and music players. There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."

He also suggested that Apple might be creating too narrow a focus by stressing media playback on the iPhone instead of the possibilities of a general operating system such as Windows Mobile. The heavily-rumored Zune phone was again dismissed as impossible and against the company's mobile product philosophy.

"We wouldn't define our phone experience just by music. A phone is really a general purpose device," he summarized. "You want to make telephone calls, you want to get and receive messages, text, e-mail, whatever your preference is."
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I agree with the previous poster who says Ballmer has no vision. Ballmer is a big reason why MS is in the state it's in today. It's not so much that MS is putting out bad products because they are not. Microsoft's problem is that the product is not refined and focused on a core target of users.

Windows 8 is a really good OS but it was forced and shoehorned for PC users with a mouse and keyboard. It rocks on a tablet. That's MS these days. They come up with a good idea and just when you think they are going to score with a winning product. They pull a Tony Romo and throw a pick six to the other team.
 
Rogifan

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Rodster said:
I agree with the previous poster who says Ballmer has no vision. Ballmer is a big reason why MS is in the state it's in today. It's not so much that MS is putting out bad products because they are not. Microsoft's problem is that the product is not refined and focused on a core target of users.

Windows 8 is a really good OS but it was forced and shoehorned for PC users with a mouse and keyboard. It rocks on a tablet. That's MS these days. They come up with a good idea and just when you think they are going to score with a winning product. They pull a Tony Romo and throw a pick six to the other team.
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Can someone explain why you have to have one operating system that works seamlessly on tablets and PCs? Seems to be that what works well on a tablet probably isn't going to work as well on a PC that uses a keyboard and mouse. I can understand wanting integration points and maybe having a cohesive design language. But shoehorning a desktop OS on a tablet or a tablet OS on a desktop makes no sense to me. Why don't they have Windows Phone 8 as their mobile OS and Windows 8 as their desktop OS and forget about this RT crap?
 
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Rogifan said:
Can someone explain why you have to have one operating system that works seamlessly on tablets and PCs? Seems to be that what works well on a tablet probably isn't going to work as well on a PC that uses a keyboard and mouse. I can understand wanting integration points and maybe having a cohesive design language. But shoehorning a desktop OS on a tablet or a tablet OS on a desktop makes no sense to me. Why don't they have Windows Phone 8 as their mobile OS and Windows 8 as their desktop OS and forget about this RT crap?
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I like the fact that MS's unified OS allows for touch input on legacy keyboard/mouse programs and keyboard/trackpad input on tablet apps. Input/control flexibility is a good thing.

Touch, for me, is more intuitive and faster than using a trackpad. However, if I'm typing on a keyboard and need to move the cursor to different locations on a screen, the touchpad is more convenient because it is closes to my fingers at the time. Over time, MS legacy programs will be upgraded to more touch-friendly versions.
 
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I like the fact that MS's unified OS allows for touch input on legacy keyboard/mouse programs and keyboard/trackpad input on tablet apps.

Touch, for me, is more intuitive and faster than using a trackpad. Over time, MS legacy programs will be upgraded to more touch-friendly versions.
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that is only b.c the trackpads on windows laptops are garbage =/
 
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mattopotamus said:
that is only b.c the trackpads on windows laptops are garbage =/
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Have you tried the trackpad on the Win 8 Lenovo Yoga convertible? It is just as good as my cMBP. That's what I am getting this holiday season. I plan on moving back to an all MS Windows environment at home.
 
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Have you tried the trackpad on the Win 8 Lenovo Yoga convertible? It is just as good as my cMBP. That's what I am getting this holiday season. I plan on moving back to an all MS Windows environment at home.
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Really? According to The Verge, the trackpad is one of the worst things about it.

Trackpads have always been the PC's achilles heel. It's the one thing all the various OEMs can never seem to do as well as Apple.

Other than that, the Yoga is about the best looking Windows 8 touchtop out at the moment.
 
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Have you tried the trackpad on the Win 8 Lenovo Yoga convertible? It is just as good as my cMBP. That's what I am getting this holiday season. I plan on moving back to an all MS Windows environment at home.
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I have not tried that. I'm sure some are really good, but most are just really behind. Gestures make not having a mouse actually doable.
 
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Rogifan said:
Can someone explain why you have to have one operating system that works seamlessly on tablets and PCs? Seems to be that what works well on a tablet probably isn't going to work as well on a PC that uses a keyboard and mouse. I can understand wanting integration points and maybe having a cohesive design language. But shoehorning a desktop OS on a tablet or a tablet OS on a desktop makes no sense to me. Why don't they have Windows Phone 8 as their mobile OS and Windows 8 as their desktop OS and forget about this RT crap?
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Windows 8 was first designed around tablets not the other way around. Windows 8 in a touch environment makes sense. I find that Windows 8 creates additional steps vs Windows 7 depending on what I need to do.

I think it would have been better if MS had made W8 strictly for tablets and slowly integrated bits and pieces into subsequent Windows PC releases much like i've read Apple has been doing with OSX.
 
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Rodster said:
Windows 8 was first designed around tablets not the other way around. Windows 8 in a touch environment makes sense. I find that Windows 8 creates additional steps vs Windows 7 depending on what I need to do.

I think it would have been better if MS had made W8 strictly for tablets and slowly integrated bits and pieces into subsequent Windows PC releases much like i've read Apple has been doing with OSX.
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Yeah I guess that's what I meant. What's the difference between Windows RT and Windows Phone 8?
 
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Rogifan said:
Yeah I guess that's what I meant. What's the difference between Windows RT and Windows Phone 8?
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I don't own a Windows 8 phone but I would have to conclude the phone version is probably a simplistic version of W8 RT.
 
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Apple is high priced and highly controlled and Microsoft is...?

I don't think Microsoft is less priced or less controlled, in terms of ecosystem.
 
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Ballmer spoke these magical words?

That's it, I'm getting a Lumia to use with my wild and uncontrolled Windows 8 PC which is susceptible to malware....

Ohwait.
 
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zbarvian said:
Apple is high priced and highly controlled and Microsoft is...?

I don't think Microsoft is less priced or less controlled, in terms of ecosystem.
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As far as price using a MS ecosystem is/can be a lot less expensive.

I really want an iMac but I just cannot justify the price vs its PC counter part. Buying a Mac Pro is way out of the question.

I still might bite the bullet for a 27" iMac but I fear it won't be as user friend with Android products as a PC. On the same note I'm sure it would be much better with my iPhone considering I absolutely hate iTunes on my PC.
 
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cynics said:
As far as price using a MS ecosystem is/can be a lot less expensive.

I really want an iMac but I just cannot justify the price vs its PC counter part. Buying a Mac Pro is way out of the question.

I still might bite the bullet for a 27" iMac but I fear it won't be as user friend with Android products as a PC. On the same note I'm sure it would be much better with my iPhone considering I absolutely hate iTunes on my PC.
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You'll be waiting awhile for that 27" iMac. Check the front page, Apple revised shipments to early 2013.
 
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He's also the only CEO that said his company's stock was too high :rolleyes: just don't pay much attention to him
 
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