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1096bimu

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was going to get an M2 air, can't find one for sale (with upgraded RAM), but found an M2 MBP touchbar with 24GB.

I think it was the right choice, I had a 14" pro for like a week I HATED not having the touchbar. There's a couple things I do very often on the touchbar, deleting stuff, using screenshot, and just using the arithmetic operations for calculator, they're all gone without the Touchbar, instead I have to do these finger/mental gymnastic shortcut keys like cmd+crl+3/4/5 and you just gotta memorize what each of these numbers do in terms of screenshot. And yes, I screenshot/delete more than I adjust volume/brightness, the function keys are utterly useless to me.

BTW another unpopular opinion of mine is I like the butterfly keyboard... This new keyboard has so much travel and just more mushy less crisp than butterfly. Yes I do use mechanical keyboard with huger travel, but it's a linear switch so it's never mushy like rubber film keyboards are, now that the butterfly switch is gone. Obviously nobody likes broken keyboard, my 2018 actually started having slight double press issues, that wasn't great. But I just hope Apple had continue to develop the keyboard rather than throwing in the towel.

I wanted to get the Air simply because it's a new good looking design, but after seeing it in-store, I have to say I'm not very impressed, it's not significantly thinner or lighter than the classic touchbar MBP. I was so caught up with the new design I didn't even think of the touchbar issue, that I could get the M2 with a touchbar.

Now I got a MBP that looks almost exactly the same as my previous 2018 with quad-core Intel, but now I have M2 maxed out 24GB, not the most exciting purchase but I'm sure it'll get things done extremely well. Although most of my work on the laptop will be web/spreadsheet, I do occasionally do pro photography stuff on it, when running Lightroom I think it's just as responsive as my desktop which is just perfect. Ran a quick export test with 130 50MP RAW export, well the desktop is still much faster with 16 cores and way stronger GPU. However the cooling on this thing is night and day compared to the old Intel, obviously, everyone with the M1 certainly already know that, but this being only 1 fan and slighter more power to the M2, I had a bit of a concern.

I modified my old 2018MBP with liquid metal interface and thermal pad to connect the back cover to aid cooling it was mostly totally silent but the fan will spin loudly in long Lightroom exports. Now it's still totally silent but the fan barely have to spin up in these long exports, I probably won't even have to modify the cooling, where as if I got the Air, most likely would've opened that up for thermal pads at least.
 
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Marathonianbull

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1096bimu, You're not alone, outside of Planet YouTube & Followers, to find extremely great qualities in the latest
M2 MBP 13!!! As expressed elsewhere, I have just purchased one as well, in spite of my (very nice albeit so much bulkier) M1 Pro MBP 16 *AND* INSTEAD OF that supposedly worthier M2 MBA): the new M2 MBP 13 offers everything right for on-the-go professionals who value functionality, power, and battery stamina equally. It makes the most of an amazing industrial design, not outdated at all, remaining as beautiful today as it ever was. Perhaps not the lightest but certainly the smallest Macbook available as of September 2022, it also remains the fastest laptop on the market with regard to single-core performance. It is sturdy, quiet, has a bright, vivid, well-calibrated, even improved LCD panel, and a clean HD camera (unlike the blurry FHD one in those latest MBA!) Last but not least, it is equipped with a smart, super useful piece of technology aka the Touch Bar (oh, w/ permanent function keys available if deemed necessary), versus that overly famous MagSafe cable meant for perhaps less-than-careful café-lingerers... We may be the only two fans of the 13" with a single fan, but you're definitely NOT alone ; )
 

ArkSingularity

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I like the touchbar when I'm doing stuff in Logic or when I'm watching videos (the scrubbing feature is great). I usually keep it on the expanded control strip (it's more convenient for me), but I've never hated the touchbar either. I've always found it kinda neat for certain tasks where it really came in handy.

I don't think it ever really saw its full potential because of software limitations. They could have done a lot of very neat stuff with it (and there are a lot of third party tools that really extend what it is capable of), but it just kinda feels like Apple gave up on it after it didn't get the initial response they expected.
 

Flash1420

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I loved the touch bar. Most of the apps I used supported the touch bar, but thats not the case for everyone so I can see why some people don't like it. I wish Apple spent more time enhancing the functionality of the touch bar.
 
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chrono1081

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I love the Touch Bar and butterfly keyboard. People just like to hate on things they don't immediately find useful.

I do love my M2 air though. I got it because I really wanted something smaller/lighter for travel and this thing surprised the hell out of me in what it's capable of.
 
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Ma2k5

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Can’t you just create your own keyboard shortcuts on the normal F keys to do those very commands you want so there isn’t any gymnastics required? Seems better than using a Touch Bar imo.
 

Seiko4169

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Love the touch bar and keyboard of my older 13” MacBook Pro. Only reason I’m slightly disappointed with the new version and haven’t upgraded is they didn’t upgrade the screen. I suspect price points came into play but still, the 13” with TB is a great and all time classic.
 

chrono1081

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Can’t you just create your own keyboard shortcuts on the normal F keys to do those very commands you want so there isn’t any gymnastics required? Seems better than using a Touch Bar imo.

Not really. The Touch Bar is super useful for dynamic controls (animation sliders for example or any kind of "scrubby" slider). It's also very useful for controls that change based on the state of the application. If you're in different menus for example buttons with the shortcut names will pop up depending on the menu you're in. You can't do that with regular key mappings.
 

Frankfurt

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I own the a 2017 15” MacBook Pro and really like the form factor and Touchbar. The current 16” is bulky and heavy in comparison. I have not yet encountered any keyboard issues but my battery is starting to give in (below 80% capacity). At this point, I rather have the battery replaced and keep the Pro for a few more years.
 

glhiii

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I am very happy with my 2019 16" MacBook Pro, but I don't use the Touch Bar much. The new 16" has a better screen, but the one on the 2019 version is extremely good, and I don't need the extra power. My MBP is lighter and slightly smaller than the M1 version. It's a remarkably well-designed computer. If you like the Touch Bar, the 2019 is a good option.
 
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skardvin

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I am very happy with my 2019 16" MacBook Pro, but I don't use the Touch Bar much. The new 16" has a better screen, but the one on the 2019 version is extremely good, and I don't need the extra power. My MBP is lighter and slightly smaller than the M1 version. It's a remarkably well-designed computer. If you like the Touch Bar, the 2019 is a good option.
I had a 2019 16" as well, but for me, the size and weight were getting to be a hassle when traveling, so I switched to the M1 Pro 14" 2021, and I have zero regrets. While I do miss the touch bar, the screen, size, and weight of this machine make up for the loss, in my opinion.
 
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