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Success rate running Windows XP2 ???

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jmv

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Jul 22, 2008
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Hi,

I was curious to find out how many of you have been running Windows XP2 with success!!!
Has anyone been running without a glich for a while?

Your input on this would be appreciated cause I am getting very sceptic that I can eventually have a reliable Windows environment on Mac.
I had been looking at moving to a Mac for a some time and since my Dell XP laptop was due for replacement I thought this was opportunity to get a MacBook have some fun with OSX and still be able to run Windows for my other obligations.

I never thought that running Windows on my MacBook Pro 17 would give me more problems than running XP on a regular Dell latop. Bad decision???

My initial BootCamp setup was a nightmare. I eventually got it running after a 2nd repartioning and re-install.

Since then I have been experimenting for the last month frequent BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) 0x000000b8 (0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000).

At some point I upgraded to SP3 and updated BootCAmp drivers for SP3, same crash behaviour (BSOD).

Every time it does crash I am doing something different.

I then tried to VERIFY http://forums.techarena.in/windows-xp-support/78899.htm to pin point the cause of the BSOD. Once done, Windows startups and displays the login or restart dialog and as I click on I get an automatic BSOD:
Error code 000000c4, parameter1 0000003b, parameter2 00000002, parameter3 8b072fd8, parameter4 00000000.

Once it reboots after a BSOD, Windows performs a chksdk (which is normal) but although Windows say I can interrupt the chkdsk I have found no key sequence to stop it (ESC, Ctrl-C etc.) The chkdsk takes forever, so I would like to interrupt it if I feel nothing much should be lost or in case I decide to run it manually from a Windows session. Any idea how to interrupt it?

Also when trying to run in Safe mode it stops at the Mup.sys driver load.
So there are no way I can diagnose in Safe mode.

Also I noticed that when my wireless connection drops and attempt a Repair Wireless connectionit freezes Windows systematically. Could this be related to bad BootCamp drivers?

If there are anyone out there that coulp help before I decide to throw my MacBook Pro out the Window that would be appreciated.

JM
 
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jmv

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Jul 22, 2008
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thejadedmonkey said:
I'd call Apple, I've been running XP/Vista on and off since the beta was released, and it's never once given me a BSOD.
Click to expand...

At some point I did run some test using memtest to see if some bad memory could be the cause. Memtest did reveal some errors to I called Aple, brought the MacBook to an Apple dealer. They spent 2 hours runing test beds and found out no issues. The memtest I was using was reported as nvalid for the MacBook...

If I call Apple for a Windows BSOD they will send me back to Bill Gates wont they? ;)

JM
 
neilhart

neilhart

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Oct 11, 2007
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First of all, XP SP2 is rock solid today. Don't throw rocks, I have XP running for months at a time without any problems (just can not live through power outages) desktop PCs. And I have had no problems with Leopard BootCamp with XP Sp2 on three different SR MBP's.

I run XP SP2 on my 17" MBP ( BootCamp ) 5 days a week at work with no problems at all.

So if you are having problems it is either the hardware or you have a corrupted installed system. If you have problems with XP across platforms (your Dell) then you are doing something wrong. Because even though XP is 'old' it is a very sound OS at this time.

Neil
 
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jmv

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Jul 22, 2008
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neilhart said:
First of all, XP SP2 is rock solid today. Don't throw rocks, I have XP running for months at a time without any problems (just can not live through power outages) desktop PCs. And I have had no problems with Leopard BootCamp with XP Sp2 on three different SR MBP's.

I run XP SP2 on my 17" MBP ( BootCamp ) 5 days a week at work with no problems at all.

So if you are having problems it is either the hardware or you have a corrupted installed system. If you have problems with XP across platforms (your Dell) then you are doing something wrong. Because even though XP is 'old' it is a very sound OS at this time.

Neil
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Hi Neil,

Thanks for your input. It re-assures me to see how much your XP installations on MAC are stable. I agree, I've been running XP2 on non Mac platforms (Dell) since it was out and had no major issues. As you said it is rock solid.

However, I've had my share of issues on MAC as described initially.
When a BSOD happens it is either the hardware or a driver failure.
In my case I hope (fingers crossed) that is was casused by my graphic driver.
I did upgrade it last night as per this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/547276/

Since then no crash ... time will tell if that was the cause.

JM
 
Stridder44

Stridder44

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Mar 24, 2003
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jmv said:
Hi Neil,

Thanks for your input. It re-assures me to see how much your XP installations on MAC are stable. I agree, I've been running XP2 on non Mac platforms (Dell) since it was out and had no major issues. As you said it is rock solid.

However, I've had my share of issues on MAC as described initially.
When a BSOD happens it is either the hardware or a driver failure.
In my case I hope (fingers crossed) that is was casused by my graphic driver.
I did upgrade it last night as per this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/547276/

Since then no crash ... time will tell if that was the cause.

JM
Click to expand...

MAC? Media Access Control address?
 
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jmv

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Jul 22, 2008
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Well the BSOD is back 48 hours after the graphic driver update.
(Blue Screen of Death) 0x000000b8 (0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000).

I am out of ideas ... any gurus can help here?

JM
 
goinskiing

goinskiing

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Jun 25, 2008
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I've had Vista (the best Vista install I've had/seen) on it stable since day one and it's been fantastic.

What version of the bootcamp drivers are you running? Are you using 2.1?

Also, describe a little more what happened during setup that made things difficult. I am curious.

I'l do a little more o that BSOD.

Most BSODs I have dealt with generally have been caused by faulty hardware or faulty user error in setting up hardware.
 
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glacies

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May 10, 2008
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no problems here

I've used XP SP2 since the first day of my Macbook. First on Bootcamp and now as a Bootcamp VM under Fusion. Standard installation. Upgraded/updated everything recommended through Bootcamp itself. I run an old Oracle DB server/client on it and sometimes it won't connect to the DB but a restart solves all problems. I don't blame XP there as this sometimes happen with my old Acer as well. It's a rather old program I use (designed for win 98 or NT).

I've never experienced a BSOD yet (knock on wood there!).

Minor glitch here and there, especially when I sleep the lappie but everything else is fine.

Hope you nail the cause of your problem. Try googling the BSOD error code?
 
scotty96LSC

scotty96LSC

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Oct 24, 2007
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I run xp pro via bootcamp and have not had a problem. I need it to run one desktop publishing program from Adobe that is not offered on the mac. Works just fine.
 
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jmv

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Jul 22, 2008
19
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goinskiing said:
I've had Vista (the best Vista install I've had/seen) on it stable since day one and it's been fantastic.

What version of the bootcamp drivers are you running? Are you using 2.1?

Also, describe a little more what happened during setup that made things difficult. I am curious.

I'l do a little more o that BSOD.

Most BSODs I have dealt with generally have been caused by faulty hardware or faulty user error in setting up hardware.
Click to expand...

My current BootCamp version 2.1 Build 210A12
I cannot remember about all the details of my Boot Camp setup but I do remember that when I used the default 32GB partition size that thing went wrong. I did have to specify a little less than 32GB to be able to proceed succesfully with the formating (FAT32).

I would love to be able to identify the hardware that may cause this BSOD.
However as I mentioned previously I brought my MBP to an Apple Store who performed all the possible hardware tests which came out negative.

JM
 
J

jmv

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Original poster
Jul 22, 2008
19
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Update information.

I went a little further and downloaded Windows debugging tools.
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/debugging/installx86.mspx#ERB

WindDbg analysis of the minidump file which was created when the BSOD occured reveals the following. Now I have a better clue that the crash is caused by the driver : applemtm.sys which I assume is part of the the Apples's BootCamp driver.

Here are the file details:
File Version: 2.0.1.10
Description: Apple Multitouch Mouse Driver
Description: Copyright © 2006-2007 Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Internal Name: AppleMTM.sys

Are any of you running a different version?
I only use the TrackPad and have no external mouse attached.
So anyone of you who have never encounted a 0xB8 BSOD may be running with a mouse??? I would be curious to find that out.

Has anyone heard of a problem with this driver?

JM

Microsoft (R) Windows Debugger Version 6.9.0003.113 X86
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Loading Dump File [C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\Mini082108-01.dmp]
Mini Kernel Dump File: Only registers and stack trace are available

Symbol search path is: C:\WINDOWS\Symbols
Executable search path is:
Unable to load image \WINDOWS\system32\ntkrnlpa.exe, Win32 error 0n2
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for ntkrnlpa.exe
Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 (Service Pack 3) MP (2 procs) Free x86 compatible
Product: WinNt
Kernel base = 0x804d7000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x8055d720
Debug session time: Thu Aug 21 16:45:41.327 2008 (GMT-4)
System Uptime: 0 days 20:52:03.089
Unable to load image \WINDOWS\system32\ntkrnlpa.exe, Win32 error 0n2
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for ntkrnlpa.exe
Loading Kernel Symbols
.....................................................................................................................................
Loading User Symbols
Loading unloaded module list
..................................
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************

Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

BugCheck B8, {0, 0, 0, 0}

*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for mssmbios.sys
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for Wdf01000.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for Wdf01000.sys
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for applemtm.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for applemtm.sys
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for USBPORT.SYS
Probably caused by : applemtm.sys ( applemtm+53b )

Followup: MachineOwner
---------

0: kd> !analyze -v
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************

ATTEMPTED_SWITCH_FROM_DPC (b8)
A wait operation, attach process, or yield was attempted from a DPC routine.
This is an illegal operation and the stack track will lead to the offending
code and original DPC routine.
Arguments:
Arg1: 00000000, Original thread which is the cause of the failure
Arg2: 00000000, New thread
Arg3: 00000000, Stack address of the original thread
Arg4: 00000000

Debugging Details:
------------------


CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT

BUGCHECK_STR: 0xB8

LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 80545c4b to 804f9f0e

STACK_TEXT:
f78b2ccc 80545c4b 000000b8 ffffffff 00000202 nt!KeInitializeDpc+0x20
f78b2d24 f5179569 00000000 00000000 00000000 nt!KdDebuggerDataBlock+0x16b
WARNING: Stack unwind information not available. Following frames may be wrong.
f78b2d50 f51bee4a 8a396008 00000000 8a39dfb0 Wdf01000+0x15569
f78b2d6c f54a153b 8a3960c0 75c6b180 8a394e78 Wdf01000+0x5ae4a
f78b2d8c f54a1651 75c62210 8a3cfd20 f78b2de8 applemtm+0x53b
f78b2d9c f51991b2 75cab120 75c0f950 f78b2dc0 applemtm+0x651
f78b2de8 f5199253 f51caa08 8a3f06a8 8a354ed8 Wdf01000+0x351b2
f78b2e00 f51705d3 8a3cfe47 8a3f06a8 00000000 Wdf01000+0x35253
f78b2e1c f517068d 01354ed8 8a2b0210 f78b2e48 Wdf01000+0xc5d3
f78b2e2c 804f080d 8a3f5020 8a3cfd20 8a354ed8 Wdf01000+0xc68d
f78b2e48 804f16b0 8a3f5020 8a3cfd20 8a2b0210 nt!IopfCompleteRequest+0x211
f78b2e78 f6bda0d5 8a3cfd20 898ba1a0 8aa54028 nt!IopCreateSummaryDump+0x18
f78b2ee0 f6bdad47 8a28a8c0 00000000 8aa547d8 USBPORT!USBPORT_CompleteTransfer+0x373
f78b2f10 f6bdb944 026e6f44 8aa540e0 8aa540e0 USBPORT!USBPORT_DoneTransfer+0x137
f78b2f48 f6bdd13a 8aa54028 80546abc 8aa54230 USBPORT!USBPORT_FlushDoneTransferList+0x16c
f78b2f74 f6beb24b 8aa54028 80546abc 8aa54028 USBPORT!USBPORT_DpcWorker+0x224
f78b2fb0 f6beb3c2 8aa54028 00000001 8a923bb0 USBPORT!USBPORT_IsrDpcWorker+0x38f
f78b2fcc 80545e6f 8aa5464c 6b755044 00000000 USBPORT!USBPORT_IsrDpc+0x166
f78b2fe0 b401ff4a 6803fe95 d007fd2a 00000000 nt!KdComponentTable+0xf7
f78b2fe4 6803fe95 d007fd2a 00000000 8a923e14 0xb401ff4a
f78b2fe8 d007fd2a 00000000 8a923e14 805459db 0x6803fe95
f78b2fec 00000000 8a923e14 805459db b997dbdc 0xd007fd2a


STACK_COMMAND: kb

FOLLOWUP_IP:
applemtm+53b
f54a153b ?? ???

SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 4

SYMBOL_NAME: applemtm+53b

FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: applemtm

IMAGE_NAME: applemtm.sys

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 0

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0xB8_applemtm+53b

BUCKET_ID: 0xB8_applemtm+53b

Followup: MachineOwner
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0: kd> lmvm applemtm
start end module name
f54a1000 f54a4000 applemtm T (no symbols)
Loaded symbol image file: applemtm.sys
Image path: \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\applemtm.sys
Image name: applemtm.sys
Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
CheckSum: 00000000
ImageSize: 00003000
Translations: 0000.04b0 0000.04e0 0409.04b0 0409.04e0
 
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