TenFourFox/PPC browsers Unsupported Message Fix?

[Appleuser201]

Recently I’ve been having this problem with some websites. Especially google sites like gmail and docs, is there a way to change the user agent to a newer browser like Firefox 56 in tenfourfox to trick the website into thinking I’m using a newer version of “Firefox”?

And there’s my new grape iMac G3 400mhz, 256mb of Ram.

 

[Dronecatcher]

To further shine the light on the redundant and obsolete....just discovered the Deezer app still runs on my Nokia E6!

 

[Hughmac]

Yes - Preferences->TenFourFox->User Agent

I generally use Firefox 60ESR (Intel)

Cheers

Hugh

 

[Project Alice]

For google I set my account to use the older HTML style. It works great even on G3s. And it's a cleaner interface even on modern systems.

Also, kinda hard to tell from the pictures but I'm pretty sure that's an indigo iMac.

 

[Dronecatcher]

I love arctic fox but I can't find where to download it anymore and for some reason Macintosh garden isn't loading. Can someone send me the download link?

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Might as well use Camino though, if you switch to an older UA. Camino flys on the iMac G3.

It's not the same thing, Camino will fail because of security protocols. AF/IW/TFF with a 'vintage' UA still have the benefit of relatively contemporary security.

 

[z970]

There seems to be a common connection between many members in this forum and Nokia Symbian-based mobile phones...

The draw of "obsolete" technology knows no bounds!

 

[z970]

I'd love to be able to second this, but many of my acquaintances insist on relying on WhatsApp as their sole means of communication. Sure, I could carry two phones but... I don't really want to.

I know that situation...

WhatsApp, with its hyper-modern system requirements, Facecrook parent, and probable backdoors / spyware is bad enough as is. Now you need to haul that garbage around just to keep in touch with people who can't be bothered to use normal contact methods (phone, email, sms) just to keep communications with you?

Perhaps it is because I don't have critical requirements to link with these circles (for whatever reason), but I'd personally rather cut contact with those types of folks if that's the way they insist on living, while consequentially dragging everyone in their address book down with them, whether they agreed to it or not.

Maybe it's just me... or maybe it's a matter of how comfortable one is living life solitarily...

 

[Dronecatcher]

You need an N8, E7, C7, or 808, but there is one updated OS heralded by the community...

Yes, I did look into it - Delight for the E6 was meant to be on the way...but that was 9 months ago, guess the dev moved on.

There's a custom firmware for the E6 called Belle Refresh Enhanced. Download. I have yet to try it but from what I can see it's not as new or "comprehensive" as Delight.

Yes, it's pretty old unfortunately.
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Success on my E6 - I switched to Opera Mini instead of Opera Mobile, that catches the 3gp file and passes it to the internal video player...but the Opera proxy server compression is savage!

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Perhaps it is because I don't have critical requirements to link with these circles (for whatever reason), but I'd personally rather cut contact with those types of folks if that's the way they insist on living, while consequentially dragging everyone in their address book down with them, whether they agreed to it or not.

Whilst I kind of agree, people who aren't remotely computer literate won't see any distinction or problem with such apps - not because they're dumb or ignorant, it's simply not in their field of view.

 

[Dronecatcher]

specially google sites like gmail and docs, is there a way to change the user agent to a newer browser like Firefox 56 in tenfourfox

The danger in pretending to be a newer browser is it can call up extra features that will slow your computer down even more. Even on the Google homepage, I can slash CPU use by half in TFF by setting the UA as IE8.

 

[Dronecatcher]

For google I set my account to use the older HTML style.

Amen to that - new Google even chokes on my Mac Pro...

 

[vddrnnr]

Hi Appleuser201,

Have you tried ArcticFoxPPC. I think it's lighter on resources and it has the hability to
set a specific useragent for different sites/domains, by going into about:config and adding a
new String preference like:

general.useragent.override.google.com

With the value for the useragent you want to use like chrome 41:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/41.0.2226.0 Safari/537.36

I've seen that several sites behave better/faster with more or less the same functionality.

In google sites like gmail using chrome 45 is the minimum for the regular version but loading
times are still slow because of javascript code but after loading it's "usable" on a PB G4.

Also using umatrix and ublock origin make a big difference.

Best regards,
voidRunner

 

[Appleuser201]

Hi Appleuser201,

Have you tried ArcticFoxPPC. I think it's lighter on resources and it has the hability to
set a specific useragent for different sites/domains, by going into about:config and adding a
new String preference like:

general.useragent.override.google.com

With the value for the useragent you want to use like chrome 41:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/41.0.2226.0 Safari/537.36

I've seen that several sites behave better/faster with more or less the same functionality.

In google sites like gmail using chrome 45 is the minimum for the regular version but loading
times are still slow because of javascript code but after loading it's "usable" on a PB G4.

Also using umatrix and ublock origin make a big difference.

Best regards,
voidRunner

I love arctic fox but I can't find where to download it anymore and for some reason Macintosh garden isn't loading. Can someone send me the download link?
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For google I set my account to use the older HTML style. It works great even on G3s. And it's a cleaner interface even on modern systems.
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Also, kinda hard to tell from the pictures but I'm pretty sure that's an indigo iMac.

No it's a grape 400mhz 1999 model with dvd drive.

 

[Dronecatcher]

Has this been confirmed?

If this is the case, all we would theoretically need to do is copy the feature phone's UA over to TFF.

No, it's guesswork based on previous experiences - Youtube isn't always fooled by the user agent alone. Proof of pudding is if someone can try it - unfortunately the feature phones and Symbian phones I have no longer reach Youtube as of a few months ago and incidentally, they used to show the same UI that the Nokia N90 user agent used to before the change.
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Youtube isn't always fooled by the user agent alone.

Example: It's not fooled by giving youtube-dl a Nokia user agent - it still doesn't reveal the 3gp files.

 

[Amethyst1]

My Nokia E6 running Symbian Belle can access YouTube and play videos using the stock browser. Searching doesn't work but I can use tonvid.com for that and pass the result to YouTube.

 

[Dronecatcher]

My Nokia E6 running Symbian Belle can access YouTube and play videos using the stock browser. Searching doesn't work but I can use tonvid.com for that and pass the result to YouTube.

I have the exact phone, but Youtube just gives a black screen in the default browser and Opera....

 

[Dronecatcher]

There seems to be a common connection between many members in this forum and Nokia Symbian-based mobile phones...

The draw of "obsolete" technology knows no bounds!

If the OS was still updated I'd happily use my Nokia E6 as my main phone

 

[z970]

If the OS was still updated I'd happily use my Nokia E6 as my main phone

I still do!

As far as I'm concerned, all it needs to do is make calls, save contacts, have basic Web browsing, take photos, and play music.

No problems at all there.

You need an N8, E7, C7, or 808, but there is one updated OS heralded by the community...

http://www.ovi.h1n.ru/delight/

 

[Amethyst1]

If the OS was still updated I'd happily use my Nokia E6 as my main phone

There's a custom firmware for the E6 called Belle Refresh Enhanced. Download. I have yet to try it but from what I can see it's not as new or "comprehensive" as Delight.
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As far as I'm concerned, all it needs to do is make calls, save contacts, have basic Web browsing, take photos, and play music.

I'd love to be able to second this, but many of my acquaintances insist on relying on WhatsApp as their sole means of communication. Sure, I could carry two phones but... I don't really want to.

 

[z970]

but the Opera proxy server compression is savage!

No truer words.

Some videos are almost even unwatchable because of this...

 

[Dronecatcher]

Some videos are almost even unwatchable because of this...

I checked on the few seconds of the clip I watched, Opera Mini condensed 1.2Mb of data down to 87Kb!

 

[Dronecatcher]

And yet the very same people had no problem with email, SMS, or phone calls for the 20 years before WhatsApp existed, but oh, now they're suddenly out of style because I can do everything right on my iPhone.

What's infuriating is the badly-placed hypocrisy and unaware field of view in this digital age where knowledge and awareness is so critical, especially in people who insist basing their social life on one online platform. In this climate, you really can't afford to be in the clouds.

I think the bottom line for most people is WhatsApp is "free" - endless text chatting, even over cellular networks, is cheaper than sending txts and when tethered to wifi - no cost.

The greater issue you're pointing to is just the sad direction our culture/society is heading - you can resist it all you want but most people are blissfully unaware and happy to be lead into digital slavery...

 

[z970]

I think the bottom line for most people is WhatsApp is "free" - endless text chatting, even over cellular networks, is cheaper than sending txts and when tethered to wifi - no cost.

The greater issue you're pointing to is just the sad direction our culture/society is heading - you can resist it all you want but most people are blissfully unaware and happy to be lead into digital slavery...

And if you tell them all about it, 8 out of 10 times they still won't change.

These problems are just too greatly widespread to not take notice. It's blissful, willful ignorance. They will indeed be happy to take the path of least resistance, damn the unforeseen consequences, as long as they're able to chat with their buddies. That's all that matters.

A most sad, sad direction indeed...

 

[Amethyst1]

WhatsApp, with its hyper-modern system requirements, Facecrook parent, and probable backdoors / spyware is bad enough as is. Now you need to haul that garbage around just to keep in touch with people who can't be bothered to use normal contact methods (phone, email, sms) just to keep communications with you?

I'll give it to WA that Symbian was only cut off at the end of last year, long after the OS had "officially" been declared dead (but we know that doesn't mean much to folks like us ). The other problem is that to most people, WA has become a normal contact method - I have often heard people I've exchanged phone numbers with follow up with "We'll chat via WA, ok?" without even asking whether I have or am OK with WA. Likewise, I've gotten strange looks from people after explicitly asking them not to use WA for contacting me. Even worse, WA is used for business-related communication by some of the people I know, so not having WA would literally cut them off their jobs.
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Success on my E6 - I switched to Opera Mini instead of Opera Mobile, that catches the 3gp file and passes it to the internal video player...but the Opera proxy server compression is savage!

It's the same on my E52, videos are essentially unwatchable.

Whilst I kind of agree, people who aren't remotely computer literate won't see any distinction or problem with such apps - not because they're dumb or ignorant, it's simply not in their field of view.

Another thing is that children use WA as well (nevermind that this is against WA's terms of use) and they're even more naive when it comes to what's going on behind the scenes.
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I think the bottom line for most people is WhatsApp is "free" - endless text chatting, even over cellular networks, is cheaper than sending txts and when tethered to wifi - no cost.

The deal I'm on gives me 2 GB of data per month, unlimited calling and unlimited texting and it's nothing special. So I'd be inclined to say the "WA is free" argument has lost some of its momentum, unless you don't have mobile data and rely on free WiFi. It's become a matter of convenience and ignorance.

 

[Dronecatcher]

genyoutube is now useless, it fails to provide any download links at all no matter what device or browser I’ve used.

Unfortunately https://invidio.us is also no longer showing download links either.
I'd imagine a new browser for OS9 is not beyond reach in theory but it would require the work of a professional coder with a fair bit of free time to complete the project.

 

[Appleuser201]

Yes - Preferences->TenFourFox->User Agent

I generally use Firefox 60ESR (Intel)

Cheers

Hugh

Wow I feel so stupid.
This iMac is very slow but part of that is due to the 256mb of Ram I haven’t upgraded yet.
Tenfourfox is now a great browser again.
And can someone help me with my hangouts iChat question?
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The danger in pretending to be a newer browser is it can call up extra features that will slow your computer down even more. Even on the Google homepage, I can slash CPU use by half in TFF by setting the UA as IE8.

Might as well use Camino though, if you switch to an older UA. Camino flys on the iMac G3.