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Well I think I‘m starting to see the writing on the wall.............here is the Cliff’s Notes on the background of this possible dilemma, so here goes:
I have a Mini 5 (Cellular), I then purchase an Air 3 (WiFi), it seems like a great combo, I take the Mini with me to work, pretty much anywhere because of the cellular and mobility, they both work perfectly for my lifestyle.
(Insert fiancé) “I love your iPad Air”, now I don’t have an Air 3 anymore (lol). I ponder purchasing a used Pro 10.5, or a new Pro 11, or new Pro 20 editon. I decide to I wait for the new Pro’s, until I find an absolutely amazing deal on a Pro 10.5 (512 GB + Cellular).
Now I have basically removed the Mini 5 Out of my lifestyle, sure the 10.5 is bigger, but I don’t find myself needing the portability of the Mini 5 anymore. Maybe the cellular in the Pro is ruining it for me, maybe its the all the features of the 10.5.
It’s crazy to think this because I loved the Mini 5 for everything it is, now I just don’t seem to utilize it anymore.
Anyone else feel the same way? I know this is a first world problem, and I’m not complaining by any means, I just find myself sitting here wondering if I should just repurpose the Mini to someone else in the family.
Thanks for reading.
 
We are all different with different needs and likes. If the mini doesn’t fit into your day anymore or you have no use, pass it on to someone who can make use of it (a very nice gift) or sell it.

There is no right or wrong.
 
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Personally, this has been the case for me since the OG iPad Air (2013).

Mind, I've always bought LTE iPads so connectivity wasn't the issue with the iPad 3-4. It simply boiled down to size and weight.

The size and weight reduction on the Air was sufficient that it fit in all my purses and it wasn't too heavy to lug around. After a year of use, I discovered I prefer the Air's larger display over the mini 2 even when I'm out and about (e.g. doctor's waiting room, etc).
 
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I’d use my kids Mini 5 more if Apple would stop being jerks and just give us User Profiles.

Mini 5. Pro 12.9. Old Air 2 with LTE. Every iPad model excels at a specific task so its crazy that Apple is still restricting families from sharing hardware.
 
Now I have basically removed the Mini 5 Out of my lifestyle, sure the 10.5 is bigger, but I don’t find myself needing the portability of the Mini 5 anymore. Maybe the cellular in the Pro is ruining it for me, maybe its the all the features of the 10.5.
It’s crazy to think this because I loved the Mini 5 for everything it is, now I just don’t seem to utilize it anymore.

To me it's just a matter of focus. For the record I own (indulge really) both 2019 iPad Pros and 2 iPad mini 5s - I will usually use one intensely for a while, find some excuse to use another and then drop interest in one.

The mini 5 does have a specific use case - it's the only iPad that fits in a coat pocket - so it does get more use when I find I want lightweight travel w/an iPad, but otherwise it's really what I feel like using that day
 
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I do appreciate the extra real estate of the Pro compared to the mini, and its weight does make it more portable then previous IPads.

I’m on the fence with user profiles, I can see where it would be a convenience to share, but then i can see the other side where if 2 people really need to use 1 iPad, it can become an issue, and I’m sure that Apple doesn’t have a problem selling additional iPads due to that.

As far as the Mini for portability, that’s what I loved about it, but i find myself using my Pro even with the size difference.
 
Well I think I‘m starting to see the writing on the wall.............here is the Cliff’s Notes on the background of this possible dilemma, so here goes:
I have a Mini 5 (Cellular), I then purchase an Air 3 (WiFi), it seems like a great combo, I take the Mini with me to work, pretty much anywhere because of the cellular and mobility, they both work perfectly for my lifestyle.
(Insert fiancé) “I love your iPad Air”, now I don’t have an Air 3 anymore (lol). I ponder purchasing a used Pro 10.5, or a new Pro 11, or new Pro 20 editon. I decide to I wait for the new Pro’s, until I find an absolutely amazing deal on a Pro 10.5 (512 GB + Cellular).
Now I have basically removed the Mini 5 Out of my lifestyle, sure the 10.5 is bigger, but I don’t find myself needing the portability of the Mini 5 anymore. Maybe the cellular in the Pro is ruining it for me, maybe its the all the features of the 10.5.
It’s crazy to think this because I loved the Mini 5 for everything it is, now I just don’t seem to utilize it anymore.
Anyone else feel the same way? I know this is a first world problem, and I’m not complaining by any means, I just find myself sitting here wondering if I should just repurpose the Mini to someone else in the family.
Thanks for reading.

I have a mini 5 which I put on a small tripod. I use it as a dedicated camera phone. I also have a 12.9” pro, latest model, with cellular. Also an 11”. The 12.9” sits in front of the camera and I use the two as my main work center. The 11” is the portable I take with me.

What all this has taught me is that I no longer care about the Mac itself. I use a Mac at work, but if I didn’t have a job that required a computer, I wouldn’t have it at all. At home and in all travel I only use an iPad and iPhone.

My best friend uses Android. He just bought some LG phone. Asked him if he still uses his PC. He said he hasn’t used it in months. Says he thinks he’ll use it to do his taxes and that’s about it. I don’t remember for sure if I did my taxes on my iPad or my Mac. I am thinking I did it on my iPad. I don’t think I really need a computer for myself anymore.

Some other things I noticed too. I stopped using iTunes On my computer. I have HomePods and I just setup playlists entirely from my phone. Once in a while I add a song to a playlist. And when I play a playlist I always just speak the command to Siri to play the playlist. So iTunes is no longer in my dock On my Mac. I just rarely tough it so what’s the point.

I use Apple TV and HomePods. I use the phone iTUnes and iBooks (audiobooks) when I walk. Also use YouTube Music Also on the iPhone.

So aside from work, the Mac is pretty much dead to me. That’s what I thought you were going to talk about. What you’re doing now, switching from one iPad to another, is what I have been doing for some time now. No longer to I want the latest Mac. I don’t even think in those terms anymore. Now I just think about the latest iPad And iPhone.

If you do any education at all, I find the pencil to be a must have device. For me my set of applications has changed totally. I used to think in terms of email, office, web browser. That had been the items in my dock for all time until recently. Not anymore. Now, I find that Slack, Skype, What’sApp, FaceTime and communications apps like that are the way I communicate. Not at all uncommon for me to have a two-hour conversation via skype video these days. That’s why the mini is on a tripod. I never thought I’d be doing video calls. I never wanted to. Now it is seems to be 95% of my calls.

The things I look for in apps are live collaboration now. If an app doesn’t have it, I kind of don’t want it. I use OneNote now, because I can share whole notebooks. I use Explain Everything because I can share a whole virtual canvas in realtime. The style of work is changing. Shared file systems via DropBox, and soon with iCloud once Apple delivers shared folders. Shared canvas for working together and communication. Everything is collaborative now. It has to be live and always on. The personal computer just doesn’t cut it anymore. The people I work with are all on iPads now. I just started working with someone and they didn’t have an iPad so I suggested it, explaining all this. She got one, and she is thanking me all the time saying how it has transformed everything. She also got a 12.9” pro. Now for video phone she tends to use her iPhone. So I am suggesting the tripod I have to make that simple.

What we need right now, is a simple way to share a remote camera with the iPad. A camera on a stick, that is an extension of the iPad. Or you do what I am doing which is you just get a mini and stick on a tripod and use it as a separate video phone. Think about how people vlog like crazy now. The vlog device should also become a video phone, where the processing is done on the iPad or iPhone. Maybe something like an iPod Touch. I don’t even need apps on it. Just a camera and a screen, that the iPad sees as an extension of itself. Something that can stand on it’s own. See when we used web-cameras. The computer lid served this purpose. You could use the web-cam as your camera, and the computer as the computer. The web camera was in a good position. But for tablet users, the table lays flat, and the camera is thus looking up and the sky, and not me.

I like the setup I have and would want something similar to it. Completely portable. A separate camera and screen. So far I just use a mini on a tripod.

I think this new generation isn’t adopting the personal computer as their main device. It’s more iPad and iPhone now. And the iPad has changed everything for me. It is my device of choice now.
 
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You have some excellent points, and yes this topic could be discussed for days, I have some friends that still need a computer, there are obviously programs that you cant run on an iPad, but it seems like more and more people on a general consensus don’t need/use a computer anymore.

My case for example, I have a mid 2009 MacBook Pro, as I sit here and type this, I really cant remember the last time I used it, perhaps 4 months ago, I used it to renew my vehicle registration. Last year one of my friends asked me if I wanted to purchase his 2 year old MacBook Pro, (he wanted to upgrade to a touch bar) and I had to think if the investment would have been worth it, for me it wouldn’t have been.

Like yourself, I utilize cloud services whenever I can, I’ve been using iPads extensively for years now. I am currently taking on line courses, and have been using iPads for those, started off using an iPad Pro 9.7, and have a pencil, I didn’t realize how much I use and like the pencil, for me it’s a must have.

I like your idea of the tripod for video, but I very rarely use video calls, and when I do, FaceTime is usually suffice,so that really would’nt benefit me at all. I do have Apple TV’s, one fo my favorite things is Apple’s ecosystem, for a minute i thought I could just use the Mini 5 for a remote, but clearly overkill on that.

You are probably right about this generation, I see most people opting for iPads vs computers, but you still have a lot of University’s that haven’t completely adopted to not using computers, hence how i got my Air 3 that my fiancé confiscated from me, I found a college student selling the Air 3 because they didn’t use it and had to use a computer, I was’nt in the market for another iPad, but I couldn’t pass up that deal.
 
You have some excellent points, and yes this topic could be discussed for days, I have some friends that still need a computer, there are obviously programs that you cant run on an iPad, but it seems like more and more people on a general consensus don’t need/use a computer anymore.

My case for example, I have a mid 2009 MacBook Pro, as I sit here and type this, I really cant remember the last time I used it, perhaps 4 months ago, I used it to renew my vehicle registration. Last year one of my friends asked me if I wanted to purchase his 2 year old MacBook Pro, (he wanted to upgrade to a touch bar) and I had to think if the investment would have been worth it, for me it wouldn’t have been.

Like yourself, I utilize cloud services whenever I can, I’ve been using iPads extensively for years now. I am currently taking on line courses, and have been using iPads for those, started off using an iPad Pro 9.7, and have a pencil, I didn’t realize how much I use and like the pencil, for me it’s a must have.

I like your idea of the tripod for video, but I very rarely use video calls, and when I do, FaceTime is usually suffice,so that really would’nt benefit me at all. I do have Apple TV’s, one fo my favorite things is Apple’s ecosystem, for a minute i thought I could just use the Mini 5 for a remote, but clearly overkill on that.

You are probably right about this generation, I see most people opting for iPads vs computers, but you still have a lot of University’s that haven’t completely adopted to not using computers, hence how i got my Air 3 that my fiancé confiscated from me, I found a college student selling the Air 3 because they didn’t use it and had to use a computer, I was’nt in the market for another iPad, but I couldn’t pass up that deal.

The camera thing I wouldn’t have done except that I had hired a teacher On Preply. Skype is what most tend to use there as the communications medium. And then since then I started to use it more and more. It got to the point where I realized I liked the video call. It’s more like being with your friends then just a voice call. So I ended up making the mini into a dedicated video phone. The funny for me part is that once I did this I started to notice all the failures people seem to have when doing this on their computer. And sometimes the just switch to the smartphone, which tends to work a whole lot more reliably. It seemed a waste of an iPad Mini, but just last week there was very strong winds in my area and I lost power for a couple hours. The video call was still possible because of the cellular. The lesson I was doing over Explain Everything, still going on also because of the cellular connection in the iPad Pro.

One of the things I really like about the iPad is the long battery life. And it just never gets shut off. It just sleeps and when it does the battery is not really affected much at all. I can hear when I get an email. I use it to read news, read messages, respond to messages, learn, communicate, etc. It just seems to be the new center of everything.

I also find apps like Word to be just fine on the iPad Pro. The multitasking is enough to get the job done. Absolutely on the pencil. I’d be curious to know how many of those Apple sells.

Anyone learning anything that requires writing, note taking, reading could really benefit from the iPad.

This is going to sound crazy, but I’d actually be interested in a 30” iPad. A pro desktop iPad. The reason is art, and remote canvas sharing. I made full A4 size sheets of paper into clipart. And when I am in Explain Everything and I want to share writing with the pencil, I just add a sheet from clip art. With the iPad Pro 12.9 a full sheet at full sized is pretty easy. But if you want to have multiple sheets, and other live media in the shared canvas I find myself wishing I had more real estate. The thing is I want the iPad OS for this, not MacOS. I’d actually be interested in a iMac sized iPad.
 
I have a mini 5 which I put on a small tripod. I use it as a dedicated camera phone. I also have a 12.9” pro, latest model, with cellular. Also an 11”. The 12.9” sits in front of the camera and I use the two as my main work center. The 11” is the portable I take with me.

What all this has taught me is that I no longer care about the Mac itself. I use a Mac at work, but if I didn’t have a job that required a computer, I wouldn’t have it at all. At home and in all travel I only use an iPad and iPhone.

My best friend uses Android. He just bought some LG phone. Asked him if he still uses his PC. He said he hasn’t used it in months. Says he thinks he’ll use it to do his taxes and that’s about it. I don’t remember for sure if I did my taxes on my iPad or my Mac. I am thinking I did it on my iPad. I don’t think I really need a computer for myself anymore.

Some other things I noticed too. I stopped using iTunes On my computer. I have HomePods and I just setup playlists entirely from my phone. Once in a while I add a song to a playlist. And when I play a playlist I always just speak the command to Siri to play the playlist. So iTunes is no longer in my dock On my Mac. I just rarely tough it so what’s the point.

I use Apple TV and HomePods. I use the phone iTUnes and iBooks (audiobooks) when I walk. Also use YouTube Music Also on the iPhone.

So aside from work, the Mac is pretty much dead to me. That’s what I thought you were going to talk about. What you’re doing now, switching from one iPad to another, is what I have been doing for some time now. No longer to I want the latest Mac. I don’t even think in those terms anymore. Now I just think about the latest iPad And iPhone.

If you do any education at all, I find the pencil to be a must have device. For me my set of applications has changed totally. I used to think in terms of email, office, web browser. That had been the items in my dock for all time until recently. Not anymore. Now, I find that Slack, Skype, What’sApp, FaceTime and communications apps like that are the way I communicate. Not at all uncommon for me to have a two-hour conversation via skype video these days. That’s why the mini is on a tripod. I never thought I’d be doing video calls. I never wanted to. Now it is seems to be 95% of my calls.

The things I look for in apps are live collaboration now. If an app doesn’t have it, I kind of don’t want it. I use OneNote now, because I can share whole notebooks. I use Explain Everything because I can share a whole virtual canvas in realtime. The style of work is changing. Shared file systems via DropBox, and soon with iCloud once Apple delivers shared folders. Shared canvas for working together and communication. Everything is collaborative now. It has to be live and always on. The personal computer just doesn’t cut it anymore. The people I work with are all on iPads now. I just started working with someone and they didn’t have an iPad so I suggested it, explaining all this. She got one, and she is thanking me all the time saying how it has transformed everything. She also got a 12.9” pro. Now for video phone she tends to use her iPhone. So I am suggesting the tripod I have to make that simple.

What we need right now, is a simple way to share a remote camera with the iPad. A camera on a stick, that is an extension of the iPad. Or you do what I am doing which is you just get a mini and stick on a tripod and use it as a separate video phone. Think about how people vlog like crazy now. The vlog device should also become a video phone, where the processing is done on the iPad or iPhone. Maybe something like an iPod Touch. I don’t even need apps on it. Just a camera and a screen, that the iPad sees as an extension of itself. Something that can stand on it’s own. See when we used web-cameras. The computer lid served this purpose. You could use the web-cam as your camera, and the computer as the computer. The web camera was in a good position. But for tablet users, the table lays flat, and the camera is thus looking up and the sky, and not me.

I like the setup I have and would want something similar to it. Completely portable. A separate camera and screen. So far I just use a mini on a tripod.

I think this new generation isn’t adopting the personal computer as their main device. It’s more iPad and iPhone now. And the iPad has changed everything for me. It is my device of choice now.

My kids 17 and 22 and their friends have a MacBook Pro and iPhone, none have iPads.
 
It’s not uncommon for an individual’s needs and preferences to change. Many have upsized from the mini. Many have downsized to the mini as well. To each their own. If you find you don’t use the mini anymore, I think it would be a great idea to put it in the hands of someone who will.
 
Any idea as got why? Just curious.

Not knocking anyone’s workflow but I would never be as efficient on an iPad as I am on a PC or Mac. Could I get productivity tasks done on an iPad? Sure. But it’s like using a butter knife to cut steak, there are better tools for specific tasks.

iPad to me in a content consumption device.
 
Any idea as got why? Just curious.
As far as my three children (ages 15, 21, 24) go; they grew up with an iPad shoved into their hands and they (now) don't want to be near one. They all have Macs. They two older for college where they say that all the students use computers and only a few use iPads. Our youngest just shakes his head when I say to look something up on our iPad. They like their Macs and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
 
As far as my three children (ages 15, 21, 24) go; they grew up with an iPad shoved into their hands and they (now) don't want to be near one. They all have Macs. They two older for college where they say that all the students use computers and only a few use iPads. Our youngest just shakes his head when I say to look something up on our iPad. They like their Macs and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

So the reason is that others around them use no iPads?
 
As far as my three children (ages 15, 21, 24) go; they grew up with an iPad shoved into their hands and they (now) don't want to be near one. They all have Macs. They two older for college where they say that all the students use computers and only a few use iPads. Our youngest just shakes his head when I say to look something up on our iPad. They like their Macs and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
It’s super interesting to me because everything I have seen is the opposite. Your case is the only case I’ve heard so far and I’ve been watch this happen for more than five years. I still own a MacBook Pro. But Apple giving the iPad a more desktop class browser put the final nail in my mac’s coffin.
Other reasons I use a Mac are some things are just easier to do on a computer.

Part of that is just being familiar with the methodology. The more I use an iPad the more I set it up, if that makes sense, for methodology and I become quick at getting things done.

I have this exported list of things from a database. It’s horrible. I needed my Mac to play with the data in a text file and clean it up. Once that was done I brought it into numbers. Once in Numbers I moved over to the iPad. I made a pdf and brought that into a higher powered pdf app called Liquid Text. From there I started to color code the items and use the pencil to write in values I wanted to share with a group. And then I carry this around to update progress. I highlight things needed to do from the list. Do them, and then add more highlights. For those that need a copyI email the pdf or print it with my highlights and notes.

So not all of this is easy to do on an iPad. But a log of it is and a lot of it is easier and better on the iPad. I can walk around with the iPad and make changes “in the field” so to speak because of how portable it is. It just feels like the right tool most of the time for me. Not always. But a whole lot.
 
It’s super interesting to me because everything I have seen is the opposite. Your case is the only case I’ve heard so far and I’ve been watch this happen for more than five years. I still own a MacBook Pro. But Apple giving the iPad a more desktop class browser put the final nail in my mac’s coffin.

Other reasons I use a Mac are some things are just easier to do on a computer.

Part of that is just being familiar with the methodology. The more I use an iPad the more I set it up, if that makes sense, for methodology and I become quick at getting things done.
Actually, its not uncommon at all for kids/young adults to prefer computers.

The idea that iPads are the computer for the next generation is a misconception created by people pushing an agenda. Logically it makes sense. They’re smaller, streamlined, powerful and incredibly intuitive. That’s why so many people (myself included) prematurely declare our kids as “tech savvy”. We give a kid an iPad and then go “omg, my kid knows how to find mickey episodes on Netflix and play kids games. He’s a geeeeenyuuus!”.

As a casual device they’re amazing. But most kids (or adults) don’t actually move beyond that intuitive “common sense” stage. And so converting an iPad from a “toy” to a “tool” requires effort and learning. And as many kids (or adults) have learned is that, for many tasks, in the end its often times ipads are a cooler but less efficient way to do a common computer task.


Don’t get me wrong, I love the iPad more than any other Apple product and I believe in it as a platform. But I also deal with a lot of students and schools and iPads are not the solution that tech enthusiasts are trying to declare it to be. They’re awesome but they’re also a directionless mess.
 
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The 10.5 pro is my favorite iPad available. I didn’t upgrade to the 11 (but have a new 12.9 pro) and the ability to use a leather Smart Cover and still great performance makes it the ideal device. I have a 256 and if I find a good deal on a 512 with cellular I will be picking one up to keep as mine has a small crack on the display.
 
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Actually, its not uncommon at all for kids/young adults to prefer computers.

The idea that iPads are the computer for the next generation is a misconception created by people pushing an agenda. Logically it makes sense. They’re smaller, streamlined, powerful and incredibly intuitive. That’s why so many people (myself included) prematurely declare our kids as “tech savvy”. We give a kid an iPad and then go “omg, my kid knows how to find mickey episodes on Netflix and play kids games. He’s a geeeeenyuuus!”.

As a casual device they’re amazing. But most kids (or adults) don’t actually move beyond that intuitive “common sense” stage. And so converting an iPad from a “toy” to a “tool” requires effort and learning. And as many kids (or adults) have learned is that, for many tasks, in the end its often times ipads are a cooler but less efficient way to do a common computer task.


Don’t get me wrong, I love the iPad more than any other Apple product and I believe in it as a platform. But I also deal with a lot of students and schools and iPads are not the solution that tech enthusiasts are trying to declare it to be. They’re awesome but they’re also a directionless mess.

The Files app could be a whole lot better, that’s for sure. One example of something being overly difficult to do is when I wanted to zip a folder, but with zero compression. I just wanted the folder and its contents to be in a zip container. Easy as pie to do in a computer. Seems to be impossible on an iPad.

The whole notion of Share > Select App > opens in that app, leaves much to be desired. At times it is a real bummer because the power is there. My iPad Pro is a power computer. If anything I think Apple should consider that a lot of us want the tablet form. And I want the ARM processor as it gives us the long battery and always on nature of the tablet. iOS could use a little re-thinking here and there.
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The 10.5 pro is my favorite iPad available. I didn’t upgrade to the 11 (but have a new 12.9 pro) and the ability to use a leather Smart Cover and still great performance makes it the ideal device. I have a 256 and if I find a good deal on a 512 with cellular I will be picking one up to keep as mine has a small crack on the display.

There is an app called, Explain Everything. For that app I wish I had a 30” iPad. And I could see artists wanting a 30” iPad as well. Most of the time I am happy with either the Air, or the Pro 11. I have a 12.9 and extra real estate is appreciated. I could go bigger.
 
This is an interesting topic. I go to many cafes regularly and the main library in Helsinki and lots of students (aged from about 16-25) use these locations to do school assignments alone or in groups. In the past three years I have lived here and frequented these places I don't recall seeing more than one or two iPads. I would estimate that about 80% use Macs (mostly Air but a few Pros) and the rest a mix of Surface devices or other Windows PCs.
 
This is an interesting topic. I go to many cafes regularly and the main library in Helsinki and lots of students (aged from about 16-25) use these locations to do school assignments alone or in groups. In the past three years I have lived here and frequented these places I don't recall seeing more than one or two iPads. I would estimate that about 80% use Macs (mostly Air but a few Pros) and the rest a mix of Surface devices or other Windows PCs.

Wow, really? I am surprised. I really liked the smaller, lighter, 12” MacBook, but they killed it. I still have one and really liked how small and light it is. It does feel under powered though. I would have thought the iPad would be a student’s dream machine.
 
As far as my three children (ages 15, 21, 24) go; they grew up with an iPad shoved into their hands and they (now) don't want to be near one. They all have Macs. They two older for college where they say that all the students use computers and only a few use iPads. Our youngest just shakes his head when I say to look something up on our iPad. They like their Macs and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Exactly, same as my 17 and 22 year old's and their friends, all use MacBook pros and a iPhone.
 
At the end of the day, it has a lot to do with the universities/institutions on what device they want used. I know a lot, probably most colleges still prefer and use computers, and then I see places that are using iPads only. It all really comes down to the user itself, I remember one of the biggest complaints about trying to go all iPad only is the lack of a mouse/trackpad, i thought iPad iOS was a step in the right direction, but as long as we have all these choices, it’s great for everybody.
Like I stated before, I would much rather and continue going all iPad, and it works best for me, as for others maybe not so much.
 
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